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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/26226188

cross-posted from: https://lemy.lol/post/39626252

We have to agree where we ARE before we stand a chance to agree about what we do from here.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

This sounds reasonable, but the logical conclusion of that is that the only people that associate with Nazis are other Nazis, or future Nazis (who may not realise it yet). This normalises nazism in a growing group of people because they don't have any moderate voices highlighting their more extreme thoughts and pulling them back towards normality.

Your argument also make the false assumption that Nazis are irredeemable. I'm sure some of them are. But I'm equally sure that at least some of them aren't.

[โ€“] YarHarSuperstar 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I am not responsible for spending time around violent, hateful people in order to bring them into the fold and change their minds and ultimately their actions. My comment is about talking to people in your life already, who are more likely to actually make changes, I.e. picking your battles, in order to give chances to the folks such as those who are alienated but unsure.

Your argument also make the false assumption that Nazis are irredeemable. I'm sure some of them are. But I'm equally sure that at least some of them aren't.

Thats not an assumption that I make although I could see how you would think I was saying that. In my mind people are people and probably most of them could make changes, but the work required to do so becomes greater over time and it does not fall on marginalized folks, including me, to do that work. But yes I don't associate with Nazis. If you do something different that isn't enabling and validating them and their beliefs and actions I would love to know what it is.