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What's the underrated quote that will stick with you for life? (self.asklemmy)

submitted 1 day ago by needthosepylons to c/[email protected]

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Even better if you can provide your own understanding of its meaning.

Mine would be :

"Nothing kills a man as much as being forced to represent a country" (and err considering the context, I must stress it has nothing to do with the current US shitshow), by a WW1 soldier, illustrator and writer named Jacques Vaché.

For me it just means being forced into representing a group (national, of course, but maybe also social, racial, sexual, professional, any kind of group) or defining one's identity only by reference to a group is to be avoided at all costs.

Note : Its not the same, imho, as engaging in a collective struggle or defense against a common oppression.

How about you?

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[–] angrystego 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I feel I lack some context here. What makes you think he thought it should be avoided? It sounds like he said it was hard and soul-crushing, but there's nothing in the quote to indicate whether he thought it was worth the effort or not.

[–] needthosepylons 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Hmm, you're right. I first read this sentence for the first time as an epigraph for a violently anti-patriotic, individualistic, fantastic and oniric book which gave me this impression. After a bit of digging, I still think there's something of my interpretation in the original material (a lettre from Vaché to Aragon from the battlefield), but it's also a dadaist piece, so not so easy to decipher, in which he wishes for the death of his own generals, somehow talks about killing Germans while wearing a monocle and, all of them soldiers, French and German, being slowly decerebrated. He was fighting and killing although he was still against the war, seemed to be borderline self-destructing, dandy, rebelling, talking multiple times about how war changed him for the worse in both his mind and his body, crippled for life too. He died at 23 from an opium overdose.

So there is certainly more to it. Indeed, he doesn't say what I implied and seemed to be such a complicated person he might have wrote the quote while thinking it is a good thing, but I suppose my interpretation isn't totally absurd.

More info :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Vach%C3%A9

[–] angrystego 2 points 1 day ago

Oh, thanks for the details!