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[–] frazw 55 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

I'm glad Europe is backing him.

It was hugely ironic that Trump and Vance sat and told Zelensky how things are based on what they've watched on TV, cutting off his attempts to correct them and then called him disrespectful.

It had the feeling of a pupil reporting to the headmasters office for punishment for fighting back against a bully. The headmaster didn't need to hear his side of the story because violence is not the answer.

I'm conscious that an analogy like this can appear insensitive and diminish the whole thing. Especially as Zelensky tried to say several times. "I'm not playing cards" when Trump made analogies about "you don't have the cards right now."

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

The key to understanding what’s happening right now is (imo):

  • Trump has a deep admiration for dictators, going back decades. This is well documented. Putin is a role model for the way he wants to govern (and see himself, actually).

  • Zelensky not complying with Trumps extortion to find dirt on Hunter Biden led to his first impeachment. Trump is seeking revenge for that. In fact he said publicly that he would seek revenge on all the people that wronged him (in his mind at least). He is out to punish his enemies and Zelensky is high on that list.

Europe needs to realize that in the span of little over one month, the US turned from its most important ally to a hostile nation - and potentially an enemy.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

There's compelling evidence out there that Trump is an actual recruited Russian agent

[–] grue 5 points 2 days ago

Fanboi or agent, the result is the same.

(Personally, I think he's both: an agent that's so thoroughly snookered that he doesn't even realize it, who is betraying America willingly in hopes senpai Putin will notice him.)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

We really need some good proper follow-up on that. Some hard proof but it's really unsurprising if it's true.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A lot of us in Europe are aware!

[–] SlopppyEngineer 8 points 2 days ago

A lot were still in denial, figuring there was still a way to reason this out, until this meeting.

[–] notsoshaihulud 1 points 2 days ago

It was hugely ironic that Trump and Vance sat and told Zelensky how things are based on what they’ve watched on TV, cutting off his attempts to correct them and then called him disrespectful.

To me the more surprising thing was that trimp is clueless and classless, but TBH I expected Vance to give us much more sophisticated theater. It was pretty lame and transparent.

[–] random_character_a 2 points 2 days ago

For Trump Zelensky was there to kiss the ring and be humiliated in light mental BDSM session to please Trumps kingly ego.

I don't think Zelensky was planning to sign anything, but was still there with a hope.