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[–] FireRetardant 10 points 23 hours ago (7 children)

Id rather be in a tram on rails in snowy conditions than in a private vehicle thats subject to slippery conditions and other vehicles hitting it. The tram if hit often has more mass and survives the hit better than a sedan would.

[–] Dasus 2 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

And if there's no trams or subs, but buses?

Here in Turku we have good public transport, but they're buses. Unlike personal vehicle, buses don't require winter tires. Theyre literally driving on slicks. (it's because there's so many and so much weight).

This will sound racist, but my city has a problem of hiring bus drivers and quite a lot of them may not be as experienced in driving in winter conditions.

There's also no seat buses on the city buses. (Long distance ones do)

A personal vehicle will have studded tires, won't have to use the completely shiny bus lanes (the buses stopping and going with those slicks really grind them into mirrors), and has seatbelts and airbags. So definitely personal transport is safer in my city.

Here what the bus stops and lanes look like at times. And this isn't even the worst, just one say napped a photo as it was slightly frozen.

Here's like worse weather. That. But everywhere. Then the most dangerously one is that plus a hint of powdery snow, because then you won't see the super slippery ice underneath and step on it unprepared.

[–] FireRetardant 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Do you have any data or proof to back up your claim that private vehicles are safer than buses in your city? Buses running tires that slip could also be a symptom of underfunding, not an inherent flaw in buses. My car would slip too if i kept summers on it instead of quality winter tires. Buses tend to be much higher off the ground and much larger than everything else on the road, unless the bus rolls over most passengers would walk away with minor injuries in a collision.

[–] Dasus -2 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Pff.

Mister hasn't ever been in a proper winter or understand how one drives in winter.

It's rare they crash, yeah. But it's happened and and then there's lots of tiny personal injuries, at the worst. Because of the speed in cities.

My car would slip too if i kept summers on it instead of quality winter tires

You don't understand how friction works with larger vehicles. They don't change them for a reason, not because we're a cheap country who doesn't regulate safety.

You can dig up data if you want to be but thinking a bus is less prone to losing control than a personal vehicles shows your inexperience.

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