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[–] [email protected] 39 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (18 children)

Could it be that after milking that sorry Marvel franchise for all it was worth for years, Disney fails to excite people with their nth ultra-samey, ultra-low-originality rehash?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 days ago (17 children)

They're just not willing to take the risks they were talking when marvel was still going solo before it's Disney acquisition. Disney isn't big on risks.

[–] kameecoding 5 points 5 days ago (10 children)

What risks did they use to take? As long as I remember the Marvel movies have been formulaic copies

[–] keyez 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Giving creative control to specific directors to let their vision shine through the project: Iron Man, Guardians of the Galaxy, Thor Love and Thunder, etc.

Edit meant Thor Ragnarok the Taika Waititi directed movie.

[–] kameecoding 6 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I mean, Iron man was like literally the first movie in the MCU (discounting that Hulk movie), it also literally started the trope of Bad Guy has literally the same skillset/power as the good guy that was replicated a bunch of times.

GotG, and Thor: Ragnarok are the only movies that are unique and carried by their directors.

Love and thunder is a dumpster fire.

[–] jacksilver 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I think bad guy having the same skillset is really just a superhero trope.

  • Flash vs Zoom
  • Green vs Yellow Lantern
  • Spidey vs Venom
  • Aquaman vs Black Manta
  • Wonder woman vs Ares
  • Green Arrow vs Dark Archer

I listed DC heroes primarily to show it isn't just a Marvel thing. But all of these arch enemies are basically evil duplicates of the hero.

I think the trope largely stems from a "How do you defeat someone who is as powerful/strong as you" kinda thing.

[–] kameecoding 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

But count how many DC films have it vs how many MCU films

[–] jacksilver 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Well it'd be the ratio we care about, but let's see (should only count first movie to simplify) and just saying yes if villian has same powers.

Marvel:

  • Ironman - yes
  • Cap - yes
  • Thor - no
  • Hulk (if you count 2008 film) - yes
  • Guardians - pass (ensemble so kinda hard to say)
  • Antman - yes
  • Doctor Strange - yes
  • Spiderman - no
  • Black Panther - yes
  • Cpt Marvel - No/maybe

DC:

  • Superman - yes (cause this iteration started with Zod, even if lex Luther is real arch enemy)
  • Batman - pass (too many reboots and maybe we count anyone cause he has no powers)
  • Wonder woman - yes
  • Flash - yes
  • Aquaman - yes (maybe BlackManta is different enough, but I'm counting it)
  • Bluebeetle - yes
  • Shazam - no

So 6/10 vs 4/7 or 60% for marvel vs 57% for DC. So surprisingly around the same.

Edited to fix formatting

[–] kameecoding 1 points 4 days ago

You can't not count batman, it's a no.

So is Aquaman.

And so is Wonder Woman, not sure how you can say Ares has the same skillset as WW.

[–] keyez 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Ah I think Thor Ragnarok was what I meant, the Taika Waititi directed movie

[–] TheBat 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Both are directed by Watiti. However, he got high on his own supply after Ragnarok, which how he made Love and Thunder.

In my opinion, Ragnarok itself was mid af movie with too many quips. And I absolutely hated Korg which was just a Watiti self-insert.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago

love and thunder has some incredible deleted scenes though, like thor's conversation with zeus, and the gorr ripping his tattoos off (not sure if this was released)

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