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I have no idea how while Trump is a) ripping out the underpinnings of constitutional law which, in turn, is all that holds up all other laws (including transactional) in the US AND b) ripping apart the post war Western defense alliance leaving Europe and Australia completely exposed and vulnerable AND c) going to impose global reciprocal tariffs, which are going to kill trade and plunge the country and the world into the greatest economic depression (coincidentally) since the 1930's, how the market isn't down 75% - 90% by this point. Hopes & Dreams? Hallucinogens? Heroin?

What power on earth is allowing Hedge Funds, Banks and Small Investors the justification to keep betting on an underlying business system which is literally being pulled apart at the seams with no real hope of being functional shortly. How is this happening. It's like I'm taking crazy pills every day. The market should look at what Trump's already done (much less what he still promises to do) and say, whoop that's us, we're audi, this is insane, we can't trade our value as a corporation any longer, we don't know where supplies, labor, administration, distribution, sales, or any law governing any of it stands, we have to pull all our monies out, and put them someplace safe like our pockets.

What is happening to keep the market propped up, when literally everything, everywhere that it needs for stability in projected earnings is being hollowed out beneath it?

edit 2/20 : lol edit 2/21: lol

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[–] partial_accumen 44 points 2 days ago (10 children)

how the market isn’t down 75% - 90% by this point.

I keep asking myself this same question as I stare at my retirement savings in what seems like trump's crosshairs. I only have a few possible answers, and none of them are enough to explain the continued high valuations.

The only things i know are: "the market is irrational" and "time in the market beats timing the market". How long before the crash occurs? How much gains are lost if I pull it out too early? Days? Years? Even if I were to pull everything out now, when would I know its safe to put it back in? Would I accurately be able to determine the bottom of the market and magically put it all back in to reap the spoils? If the damage trump does to our country destroys the value of the dollar, then even having pulled everything to cash would mean it would be in (at that time) worthless US Dollars.

I'm simply not that smart to execute that successfully and I don't pretend to be.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (4 children)

The "full faith and credit of the united states government" as expressed and guaranteed in American dollars, is probably pretty safe for a while at least, as most of the world's nations economies still base their own currency on the us dollar, but that's going to unravel at some point sooner than later i imagine

[–] partial_accumen 39 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The “full faith and credit of the united states government” as expressed and guaranteed in American dollars, is probably pretty safe for a while at least,

February 10, 2025 quotes from the article:

  • Trump says some Treasury payments might 'not count'

  • "We're even looking at Treasuries," Trump said. "There could be a problem - you've been reading about that, with Treasuries and that could be an interesting problem."

source

If trump decides to not pay on US Treasury Bills even ONE TIME, that's the whole ball game. The indestructible, ever-present, no-safer-investment-literally-anywhere-in-the-world is gone forever. The USA is able to be the nation it is because we are allowed to borrow money from the rest of the entire world and unbelievably low interest rates. If we're forced to pay higher rates on our T-bills because we aren't trustworthy anymore we will immediately drown in our $36.22 trillion national debt.

[–] Seleni 3 points 2 days ago

Pretty sure that’s the goal tbh. It’s like how these techbros crash a business and walk off with all the assets. They’re trying on countries now.

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