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[–] SmolSweetBean 52 points 1 year ago (92 children)

OK, but what if instead of going vegan, I just don't have kids. Because adding more people to the world also creates more greenhouse gasses.

[–] Djennik 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The problem is not the amount of people but how much each individual consumes. Getting meat out of your diet is a simple and a small sacrifice. Besides the health benefits there is also the fact that you don't contribute to the culling of 70 billion animals per year (of which 40% is probably not eaten and thrown in the trash). Not only that but you don't contribute to the greatest cause of deforestation, antibiotics resistance, decline of biodiversity, water waste, ...

Besides the global population is steadily stagnating (Africa is still booming) as a lot of countries see population decline (less than 2 children per woman).

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble 15 points 1 year ago

You don't even need to cut it out entirely. Just not eat such a ridiculous amount of meat.

Stuff like this isn't helping. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH9VLihKm2g

[–] Cosmonauticus 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Couldn't we just stop food waste? Most food is discarded before even making it to the store. Seems to me being more efficient with how we distribute food is more realistic that trying to convince everyone to go vegan.

Because I'm not going to stop eating meat and the amount of ppl like me is larger than you think

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Many people will also not reduce food waste, for exactly same reasons you won't stop eating meat. Convenience, habit, cost, time investment.

[–] Cosmonauticus 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Except those two things are not the same. We already have regulatory organizations that determine how food is handled and distributed. We can't regulate veganism, we can regulate food waste

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We could absolutely regulate veganism. Hell, it's the other way around at the moment. For pretty much every animal rights law, there's an exception specifically for farm animals. Just removing those exceptions would make factory farming (and therefore like 90% of meat production) illegal.

And in a more general sense, we absolutely can regulate carnism (aka the opposite of veganism), exactly how we regulate a million other moral questions.

[–] Cosmonauticus 1 points 1 year ago

If only we had other examples of bans on certain goods and substances based on minority groups crys about morality. Im sure none of them resulted in billions of wasted dollars, mass incarceration, and the creation of a new black market

[–] Djennik 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Both are true: reducing waste and adopting a plant based diet are great ways of reducing your footprint.

The number of vegetarians/vegans is growing quickly. I'm not convincing you of going vegan. You are convincing yourself to keep on eating meat despite the scientific facts and moral consequences.

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