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But why do people become Nazis?
People are not born Nazis.
Understanding why people become Nazis helps prevent people from becoming Nazis, even if you think there's no hope for the fucks who've already dived into the ideology.
I mean, fair, but a lot of the "why" with these guys boils down to "The world acts like all men are terrible, sex-crazed jerks who are violent, angry, and unable to control their emotions while claiming they're actually stoic and that makes me feel bad about myself."
Then, their solution is to double down on all those things because they're upset about being unfairly accused.
Look, if your response to people assuming you're a shitty person is to just... become an even shittier person to prove it, I think it says there was something deeply wrong with you before you doubled down.
I've heard the same shit about men my whole life and not fucking once did it make me go "God damn, I should just be a pile of shit then!" No, every time it inspired me to self-reflect and try to change my behaviors for the better.
So I reiterate, if your response is to double down, something was wrong with you before the turn to Nazism.
Like I don't know why else talking about "rape culture" resulted in young men chanting "Your body, my choice!" at women other than being born and raised as a piece of shit.
That reaction of doubling-down in response to sexism and the (sometimes impolitely stated, but most often true) accusations of masculine malfeasance in broader society is, itself, mostly created by social circumstances - how we socialize young men. Again, they are not born like that, they are not born as people who will become more sexist if accused of sexism or shown sexism in broader society, inherently; they are damaged into creatures which react like that. We must understand where this happens, how this happens - in the very many ways that it does happen - and how to counter it when removing the circumstances is not an immediate option.
You might not like to hear this but the media is far from innocent of building the image of young, struggling men being prone to violence and not being trustworthy while it also still fuels the imagery of the older, tough as nails ‘hero’ they wish to become but are not allowed to.
A certain gender controls the media by a vast, vast majority. That gender is not women.
So you're essentially blaming men for blaming men.
I do. This is about a lack of properly traditioning masculinity.
If men can't teach men how to be men, I think men are out of luck.
Not having to fight an uphill battle against a small, but vocal minority of women pushing young men into the false comfort of adversarial relations (and its gurus) would help a lot. Don't actively do damage, is all I'm asking from the female side here. Men didn't invent, say, the ick trend. I can roll my eyes at it, thirty years younger me didn't have that luxury, and getting young boys to ignore it is more involved than just saying "they're stupid, self-absorbed and immature". Shit can do psychological damage, self-image issues, that need healing. The gist is men by and large aren't built for psychological warfare and lots of women have no idea what kind of strays they're firing.
I see. It's women's fault that the men who control the media can't teach other men how to be men.
Finally, the conspiracy all comes together.
Men control women doing tiktoks? Even if a shady cabal of men sits at tiktok HQ algorithmically pushing ick content (why?), you need women to produce it in the first place.
Nah, that stuff is produced by women, for a female audience, it's empathy bait, you can tell by the comments. Young boys then catch it as a stray, "WTF is this what are these standards how can I live up to them".
Ah, I see. "Women doing tiktoks" control the men who control virtually all of the media which is why they can't teach other men how to be men.
It all makes sense when you put it that way.
It's you who's talking about "all media". I'm talking about one specific example "ick tiktoks", stuff I have to deal with in martial arts classes, because freshly-minted teens get confused as fuck about it.
Who are these men that are flooding tiktok with ick content? Making my job harder?
The person I was talking to before you butted in. Literally.
You apparently wished to change the subject without announcing you were doing so.
I wouldn't say it's a shift. Only a subset of media is relevant when it comes to boys. I didn't pull those ick tiktoks out of my hat as a "gotcha" example, this is the type of problematic media that I have to deal with because that's what my students are exposed to. They're not watching linear TV so that doesn't matter, they're not reading newspapers so those don't matter, the vast majority of the established news media sphere doesn't matter and Hollywood is well-balanced by anime, not many issues there. It's fiction in the first place which gets perceived differently, the veracity of tiktok trends can be much harder to asses for teens. Rambo is badass because it's an action flick, they understand that it's a fantasy. Any martial arts movie? The same, and in a martial arts class that's a teaching moment right there, how "making it look cool" and "making it effective" are two completely different things. That ick stuff? They take it at face value, on a deep level.
I'm pretty sure they're not watching feminists on TikTok either. Maybe the weird boys who go to your martial arts classes do. The rest of them watch whoever they've moved on to since Andrew Tate.
It's a semi-random feed. Tiktok throws things at you and if something sticks, they're showing more of it. Pretty much all know about the stuff, many dismiss it, for some it's self-image fentanyl: Both incredibly addictive and destructive: At their age they're looking for information on what girls "really want", and what they get is "anything you do is a possible reason to dump you and you'll never be able to predict what I consider icky the next second" instead of something even remotely sensible. They're seeing their prospects to, at some time, enter a long-term relationship with someone they love shatter, instincts denied, instinct reconfigures and re-affirms themself (because it always does) and now you have someone vulnerable to Tateist propaganda, "grab her by the pussy and make her your bitch". Because that kind of "solution" is way more easy than working through the whole shebang. Without guidance it's pretty much impossible, they're too young. They can't tell their drive to relate and their reproductive drive apart and thus can't see that the Tate way actually denies them one drive to assert the other, while they could have both. Heck they can barely control their limbs.
What I'm saying is that it would be very helpful if that content didn't exist. I could call Tate a loudly barking Chihuahua who got his "world champion" title in an amateur organisation and leave it at that instead of having to go into depth fucking psychology. I hope we can agree on that.