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He didn't get what he wanted at all. He tried to look tough, the world pointed out he was shooting himself in the foot, then he backed down like a bitch.
If you think all he wanted was some national guard troops patrolling the border and that's all this was about, I don't know what to tell you.
Delaying something as big as tariffs by a month is not some kind of epic loss.
This is definitely not what happened. This was planned all along.
I'm not sure what the endgame is - it could just be a distraction from Musk's coup, it could be to manipulate stock markets, it could be to destabilize the west, but it's likely a combination.
You do know that the president of Mexico already revealed that he backed down like a little bitch, right?
https://www.rawstory.com/trump-mexico-guns/
I'm not seeing anything to that effect in that article. In any case, I'm not sure that would prove your point (or mine).
You think Trump would make that sort of concession about guns as a distraction?
It's amazing. If you paid attention to people on Lemmy, literally everything the Trump administration does is a distraction and can be dismissed. You guys will still be saying that when they start putting people in ovens...
I'm saying this as a warning and that we shouldn't be dismissive about what just happened - because there could be something more sinister going on.
You seem to be the one wanting to ignore things, not me.
He got Mexico to the table and Mexican troops to maybe stop some smuggling. This is how Trump negotiates he does ridiculous things that hopefully force responses.
And what do you think he wants from Canada? As far as I can tell he just doesn't like Trudeau
No idea, I'm not even sure Trump knows what he wants. It seems like a fishing expedition to me. Throw out some wild tarrifs and see what happens.
Do you think that is a good way to run the most powerful nation on Earth?
No, but it's what's happening.
He got Mexico to maybe to something and you call that a successful negotiation?
This is all a matter of perspective. Did he achieve anything meaningful? Of course not. Did he get Mexico to respond to an action that he did? Yes. Can he use the response (doesn't matter what it is) to say his action is working? Yes. Again he doesn't care about the response, Trump cares about optics.
Do the same thing with Canada. Trump impressed an action (the tariffs) that caused a response (Canada to implement their own tariffs). Can we apply the same logic to the opposite response? Did Canada do something(again doesn't matter what) to an action trump did? Yes they did. Trump can now spin it and say look it's working.
Of course, it's working at doing something. Eroding our relationships with our neighbors. But he can spin it to his base anyway he wants because he can claim they did "it" (again the it is just the response, doesn't matter what response) because of an action he took (imposed the tariffs).
His base is only looking at what Trump says not what was done. So if Trump claims it was successful, they believe it.
Sorry... as long as nations don't ignore him, it's a win? Is that really what you're saying?
No, I guess I should have explored that option as well. The lack of response is still a response. So Trump can still claim to his base" see it's working" and claim it as a win.
I know it's difficult to imagine that in stakes so large, countries economies (hell the world economy) can be manipulated in such a way that no matter what factually and verifiability happens, it can be spun in a way to say it's a win and there's a group of people that take it at its face and says "yay! Keep going!"
Other countries are in a damned if you, damned if you don't situation. As are the rest of the United States citizens that don't support these actions (or can't see them because they are believing the president of the US when he says "we're winning"). The only thing we can do at this point is try to wake up trump supporters and hope that is done in time to affect change.
If not, we are at the mercy of whatever he does. Complaining about it and pointing out how obvious it is, does nothing. Go talk to some people that support him. Families that voted him in and have illegal immigrants in their family are getting a hard dose of that wake up call in their own. But until we get so many people that can't be ignored, nothing will happen. It will become similar to Russia where the state controls the media and everything is a "win", even invading acountry that did nothing to provoke invasion.
Mexico has essentially agreed to pay tribute, now it's a matter of finding out the price. Yes I call that a Trump win. Produce keeps coming in and he gets to take credit for whatever Mexico agrees to.
Paid tribute? What are you even talking about?
When was Mexico refusing to be at the table? There is an open relationship and trade agreements in place already... if Trump wanted to talk to Mexico about anything he could have done so with zero barriers
In the meantime, you can rest assured that to "bring Mexico" to the imaginary table they were not in, he torpedoed 100% of trust anyone in the world could possibly have about any contract or agreement with the USA
This isn't a normal rational thing. This is Trump using schoolyard bully tactics. Mexico went the appeasement route. Trump doesn't care about anyone respecting the US, he cares what he can get them to do for him.
Yes, I know how kids act... the point is that he is cutting the USA's nose to spite its face... so not sure how is that any "win" for the USA...
He said there was no concession either Mexico or Canada could make that would stop these tariffs.
Tariffs are "paused" now. I guess Little t folded.