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Anyone who actually has done that knows that it always ends up swinging around and ending up in the spokes if you go fast enough.
Also 5 lbs is not a big deal when it's detachable, but it matters a lot more when it's part of a large 30+ lb object you're carrying up the stairs to your apartment.
Wait so would you leave your groceries outside while you carried in your bike?
Personally I use a backpack ever since the groceries in the spokes incident
So you carry the groceries upstairs at the same time as your bike?
Have you heard of torque by happenchance?
How much does torque come into play when you’re carrying your bike upstairs?
The part where lifting a mass on a long lever is not easier than carrying it close to your body
Yeah when I had to take my bike upstairs I would just hoist it over my shoulder then hold the grocery bags in the same hand so it’s close.
Weve gotten far afield and I’m genuinely thinking you made that comment thinking a person might leave their Walmart bag hanging off their handlebars while carrying the bike in…
What are you talking about?
I'm talking about how a heavy bike is worse than a car with less than 300 mi range, relatively speaking.
Okay but you’re not lifting the bike by its chainstay and swinging it around like a claymore or something, you lift at the center of mass, which in an e-bike is at the battery or damn close to it. It’s why they’re all in the triangle or under the rear rack and in the latter case manufacturers get away with it because you put the bike over your shoulder and use your hand on the bars to stabilize it thereby reducing the impact the battery weight makes on the bikes portageability through the use of the same lever whose fulcrum is your shoulder.
A lot of what you’re saying seems to me to be dancing around the point of “I want an incredibly light, fast e-bike, not a 50lb grocery getter”, and I truly understand that desire. But the reality of the e-bike buying public is that people want those 50lb grocery getters.
It’s the same as the car market. I want a manual everything, decently high displacement inline four with a manual transmission, manual 4wd, crawler gear and enough ground clearance that dirt roads aren’t an issue. Everyone else wants maximum fuel economy and lots of features so all the cars accommodate that set of desires instead of mine.
I would say I'm something of an expert about lifting bikes because I've lifted hundreds and hundreds into storage hooks on the ceiling at the shop I worked at, as well as at my own place. It absolutely is worse having to manhandle a heavier bike. If the average ebike is 50 lbs no way would it be workable for me on a daily basis, and no way would it be feasible to pedal home if the battery dies. A single hill and you'd be out of energy.
The distribution of weight matters a great deal. You can easily say that 5 lbs is the weight of groceries, but 2-3 lbs of heavier wheels would be much worse for getting up hills.
I don't see why you think I want an incredibly light and fast ebike. I just think it's more important to have a lighter bike, say 35 lbs vs 40 lbs, then it is too have 250 mi range than 300 in a car. I'm not going to get close to either number except on road trips, but I'll deal with the extra weight of the bike daily. It's ok if you don't share this opinion, we can agree to disagree.
Your preference in cars seems fine too, I don't see anything wrong with preferring one thing over another.