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  • Ukraine says it has liberated four villages in the south-east, calling these the first settlements won back from Russia since Kyiv's counter-offensive began
  • On Monday morning, officials reported that "the national flag is once again waving" over Storozhove, in the Donetsk region
  • A day earlier, footage showed Ukrainian troops celebrating in Blahodatne and Neskuchne - and a minister said nearby Makarivka was also taken
  • The settlements are relatively small - and Moscow is yet to confirm any retreat
  • The Institute for the Study of War backs up Kyiv's claims, saying Ukraine captured "multiple settlements" along the frontline over the weekend
  • On Saturday, President Zelensky acknowledged that the long-awaited counter-offensive was under way
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[–] [email protected] -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

all direct descendants of the Nazi collaborators in Ukraine

literal Nazis

That's the same sort of twisted interpretation of history that I see out of Republicans in the US. The Democratic Party used to be the party of slavery and the south, so they're practically all slavers today! Black people just laugh at them and continue voting Democrat in droves.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Bad analogy. Better one would be if the Democratic party started to put up statues to Jefferson Davis because the Democratic Party members who were children/grandchildren of Jefferson Davis wanted to re-rehabilitate the image of Jefferson Davis.

I promise you that if the Democratic party started trying to retroactively white wash the confederacy, or specific subsets of the confederacy, in the same exact way the Ukrainians are, that the people that were oppressed by the Democratic Party would no longer vote for them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

I wouldn't extend the Confederacy analogy that far. Ukrainian nationalists were in an enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend situation during WW2, right up until the Gestapo arrested and imprisoned some of them. In contrast, the American Civil War had a singular motive: slavery. WW2 was much more complex, with alliances of convenience between parties that would otherwise be opposed to each other.

Arguably the biggest alliance of convenience was the Allies. The US supplied massive amounts of armaments even before officially entering the war through the "Lend Lease Act". It then continued to be an official ally to the Soviet Union. But almost immediately after Germany and Japan fell, the underlying hostility between the two powers was restored in the form of the Cold War. All that is to say, judging people simply by alliances made during WW2 is a shallow judgement.