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[–] SupraMario 19 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Private sales are private sales. Has nothing to do with gun shows, that shit is just ignorance from anti-2a groups/people. The pro2a people have been asking for access to the NICS for years. Even if we had to pay $10 for a BG check to come back as clear or not, but they don't want that because it takes away from their wedge issue.

[–] jaxxed 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

even as a foreigner, it is clear to me that gun-wary Americans tend not to be anti-2a, but want background checks and gun limits. Maybe politicians fit your narrative, especially Democrats, but if you are talking about citizens you are likely straw-manning.

[–] setsneedtofeed 7 points 2 days ago

The point is that private sellers have been asking to access NICS (the background check system) but politicians, who are in charge of giving that access through laws, have not allowed it. It is not "strawmanning" to be talking about the people with the actual ability to provide the access.

[–] IMongoose 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's required in Illinois to use a private seller portal for private sales through the state police site. It does some kind of check and it's free to use.

[–] SupraMario 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's awesome, does it do the national database? That's one of the downfalls I've read about. Local BGCs end up being just local, so someone can just hop the state line and then it's pointless. Every gun owner I've ever talked to has wanted access to the NICS, we want to know who we're selling to. Most of the people I talk with won't sell unless the person buying has a CCW.

[–] IMongoose 1 points 2 days ago

I'm not exactly sure if it does NICS specifically. The portal really just checks to see if they have a valid FOID (firearm owner ID, an Illinois special) card, but the foid card is linked to other data bases. I'm not super familiar with all the specifics. Relevant links:

https://verify.ispfsb.com/Public/Verification.aspx

https://isp.illinois.gov/Media/CompletePressRelease/679

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

but they don’t want that because it takes away from their wedge issue.

Who is "they" in this case?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Republicans and Democrats. They both require wedge issues to keep us divided and easily steered.

[–] SupraMario 3 points 2 days ago

Yep. Republicans don't give a fuck about gun rights, they just use it as a wedge issue. The same for the dems on abortion, they could have solidified roe into law a good number of times now, but they didn't because it's a wedge issue that got votes. Even RBG said the roe was a weak verdict to be holding up abortion rights.