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micromobility - Ebikes, scooters, longboards: Whatever floats your goat, this is micromobility

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Ebikes, bicycles, scooters, skateboards, longboards, eboards, motorcycles, skates, unicycles: Whatever floats your goat, this is all things micromobility!

"Transportation using lightweight vehicles such as bicycles or scooters, especially electric ones that may be borrowed as part of a self-service rental program in which people rent vehicles for short-term use within a town or city.

micromobility is seen as a potential solution to moving people more efficiently around cities"

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (5 children)

While I really like my e-bikes, they have one big problem: steep inclines. With my asthma and not great shape I’m in, I can’t always make it up the steepest hills. And 500-750 watts of assist? That’s not going to help much on steep inclines.

Hold my 250 W European e-bike.
How steep is the "steep"?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Touche

That's world tour level power output. No one need more than that to get up the hills

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

It varies wildly by locale, this person may live somewhere extremely hilly like San Francisco, or they may live in Kansas (scientifically proven to be literally flatter than a pancake). I can't be bothered to check.

I'll say I'm confident this person is just being a big baby about having to pedal, and basically just wants an electric motorcycle.

[–] friend_of_satan 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

There are hills in SF my gas powered 125 cvt could not start on. Some had a stop sign right at the top. I would have to turn sideways across the lane, throttle and turn to start up the hill.

But that was starting from a stand still. I'm not sure how a 750w bike would handle it without having to stop. I could see them struggling though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Well a motor can provide instant torque at stand still, but an engine would have way lower power at low RPM and the transmission is inefficient when starting

[–] friend_of_satan 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

True, but a hub drive motor doesn't have a transmission and may be geared for fast speeds vs low speed climbing. Also without a transmission there's no clutch friction zone which could help an engine start up the hill. I'd be really interest to see a comparison video about this.

Edit: on second thought, my cvt didn't even have a clutch. Now I'm even more interested to see a video comparing electric motor, cvt, and manual clutch transmission.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Your CVT most like had an automatic, centrifugal clutch.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

We have 20-21% grade hills in our city, which is pretty damn steep, especially with cargo. Definitely not the sort of thing you wanna be clipped in for if a light turns red, lol.

My ebike can do the steepest streets, but it maxes out at 1,300w at 14km/h while pedaling (unloaded, no cargo).

[–] AnUnusualRelic 3 points 1 week ago

It's the US, everything has to be bigger for some reason.