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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (3 children)

one of which is currently engaged in a war, Russia.

The US is, as usual, still engaged in a bunch of proxy wars

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

So is Russia, but its still one hot war ahead.

[–] kwozyman 1 points 1 day ago

Proxy wars are in fact good. Please allow me to explain what I mean.

Of course, the ideal state is full peace, no wars be they proxy or otherwise. For various reasons, that seems to be impossible for the super powers to achieve. Be it greed or the (perceived or real) need to shape the strategical interests of said super powers, it appears sometime wars are the only solution leaders have at their disposal (again, there is an argument against this, but leaders often seem to choose war).

Why are proxy wars "better", then? Because they allow the pretending of not being involved. Because they allow the defeated super power to lose without actually losing a war. Proxy wars allow an easy out. It is far easier to explain to proud super power's citizens that some nation somewhere lost the war, but not us.

Also full war, engages all of said countries assets, including the nuclear weapons. One of the very real issues with the war in Ukraine is that Russia very often threatens with nuclear strikes and, even if they aren't serious about it this still leads to escalation and for the other countries to consider the real possibility of nuclear war. If the war in Ukraine would be waged by a proxy of Russia, let's say Belarus, it would be much more difficult to even have those nuclear threats. Russia would not be able to keep saying they are not involved while threatening with nukes.

In conclusion, proxy wars are the 'sane' (if you can call it that) solution to wars between super powers.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Is it still proxy if you have military bases and boots on the the ground on foreign territory