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[–] PugJesus 1 points 4 days ago (10 children)

So you don't think that negative campaigning against a candidate has an effect on the electorate?

[–] pjwestin 1 points 4 days ago (9 children)

I think it's not fucking magic, Pug. There was far more negative campaigning coming from the hundreds of millions spent by the Trump campaign. There was even more money spent by Harris to negatively campaign against Trump, for all the good it did. But leftists complaining online threw the election? Everyone needs to shut up and smile, because if they criticize the Democrats too loudly they'll collapse? Is that where we're at?

[–] PugJesus 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (8 children)

I think it’s not fucking magic, Pug. There was far more negative campaigning coming from the hundreds of millions spent by the Trump campaign.

So?

There are millions of votes other than mine; it doesn't mean that I'm not responsible for my vote, or my other actions.

But leftists complaining online threw the election?

No. But leftists playing negative PR games online contributed to the loss. I've said elsewhere, I don't think they were the tipping point.

But neither was Iowa, yet everyone who voted for Trump or abstained in Iowa is a fucking contributor to the fascist regime.

Not being the deciding factor does not absolve you of the implications of your choices.

Everyone needs to shut up and smile, because if they criticize the Democrats too loudly they’ll collapse? Is that where we’re at?

We were going into an election everyone knew was going to be close, against a literal fascist.

Maybe a little of the 'United Front' spirit would've been welcome, instead of playing the usual games of "Undermine the SHITLIBS" when there was a candidate promising fascism, with the necessary background to confirm his intentions as sincere, as the only other choice in the running. It's not even a question of "I oppose all aid to Israel", but "Harris is a genocide supporter!" The issue was not voicing policy concerns; it was attacking the less vile of the only two candidates who could win.

Tell me, if the election had been lost by a few dozen votes, instead of a touch under two million, would your response be different? Or would it still be "Beating the negative PR drum is Just My Opinion"?

[–] Seasm0ke 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Cant believe after all the messaging around this election that "Shut up, give me your vote, and get zero concessions" is still not attractive to people for some reason. I swear I heard it everywhere, from every blue maga shill and self aggrandizing liberal in the internet... but despite it saturating the narrative she still tanked. Strange how that works.

[–] PugJesus 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Cant believe after all the messaging around this election that “Shut up, give me your vote, and get zero concessions” is still not attractive to people for some reason.

I'm sorry that you didn't get enough 'concessions' to justify trying for less genocide instead of more genocide. We who are on the list for the death camps thank you for your moral fucking purity.

[–] Seasm0ke 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Man there's something there you should try to split test the genocide lite angle for their 2028 campaign. Anything to avoid moving left right?

[–] PugJesus 1 points 3 days ago

Once Israel is done murdering all of Palestine with Trump's full support and the Palestinian genocide is no longer an issue that can be addressed, I'm sure you'll find some other excuse to avoid ever having to 'debase' yourself by voting against minorities in the US being rounded up and sent to camps. Nothing is ever pure enough, except letting disadvantaged groups be murdered by conservatives, apparently.

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