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I think I figured out one reason Trump is going after Greenland. It looks huge on a Mercator Projection map even though it isn’t that large.
That is genuinely stupid enough to be plausible.
pretty sure I’ve seen this joke like 6 times lol but I guess with Trump the dumbest answer is unfortunately often the correct one
In the Mercator projection it appears to have about the same area as Africa, while in reality it is about a 14th of it. But, I wouldn't say that "isn't that large": if Greenland was independent it would be (and Denmark is, because of it) the 12th largest country in the world.
Oh wow, this actually makes sense now
There is one and only one reason Trump/US wants Greenland. With US out of NATO, it is a point closer to Europe to threaten Europe. Every other explanation is a disgusting lie, and of zero value to US.
There's more than one. To me, the most plausible one is that Putin has played on his insecurities. He probably told Trump that a president / king / emperor is remembered when they expand their territory, otherwise they're forgotten. So, off Trump goes, trying to cement his legacy as a great president by expanding US territory. By doing that, he plays right into Putin's hands by destabilizing the world.
Trump is evil. Overthinking his motivations for evil to conform to your previous worldview harms you. America is "greater" with greater threat it can impose on Europe.
"Evil" people have motivations too. There's no overthinking needed. He's frequently played by Putin, and this makes the most sense.
It wouldn't be very strategically important to the US on its own, but it currently is strategically important to NATO and harmful to Russia.
Getting NATO out of Greenland is Putin's order.
BlueAnon conspiracy theorists continue to only be able to respond to bad things Americans do by saying "this is secretly the work of a foreigner"
Read the latest comment from that guy down the thread when the mask falls completely off. It's a real piece of work, calling Ukrainians vermin and Georgians pig-fuckers.
K, don't care. It doesn't change the fact that BlueAnon trying to attribute every bad thing America does to a secret plot by an even foreigner is pure jingoistic American Exceptionalism.
Edit: I also did read his comment, and no, he did not say that.
Directly from the comment I'm addressing:
So are you consciously choosing to misrepresent what they said, or is your reading comprehension really just that terrible? I'm guessing the first.
Absolutely absurdity that has to stop. Greenland is far away from Russia. Fine, some possible ICBM missile trajectories go over Greenland, but NATO is not going to stop US from putting missile shield or offensive nukes in Greenland, as long as it stays under NATO oversight. The Putin Derangement Syndrome that extends to explaining all Trump actions as gifts to Russia needs to stop being said out loud. Pure CIA disinformation to somehow brainwash Europe into accepting this.
It's about Naval access to the Atlantic. The Russian Navy has to go between Greenland and Norway. With NATO controlling both sides, they don't have a route to the Atlantic through friendly waters.
There are international waters between Iceland and UK. When US is part of NATO, with as a matter of fact, dictatorial control over NATO, ownership of Greenland doesn't matter. It is only a severance of US/NATO alliance that makes Greenland matter.
And Trump has also indicated we're leaving NATO.
So having Greenland as part of NATO independent of the US important. If Trump were to take Greenland, he could allow Russian Naval activity in Greenland's territorial waters.
Need to stop with any fantasies that US needs Greenland in order to gift Russia anything whatsoever. Russia has access to both oceans and does not need to go anywhere near Greenland to even ship to US or Canada, much less Europe. It does not care about any resources in Greenland because the closest consumer is eastern Canada and US.
Yes Trump wants to leave NATO. If Greenland stays part of Denmark/NATO then that can threaten US.
In the event of a military blockade by NATO after America leaves NATO, Russia's only route to the Atlantic would involve the Panama Canal or going around Africa or South America.
And Trump is also totally coincidentally trying to take the Panama Canal too.
If EU wants to blockade trade between Russia and eastern Americas, it needs to blockade vast international waters between Iceland and UK, in addition to Baltic sea. Blocking such trade will be viewed as act of war by Russia and Americas, and Russia navy alone is enough to break through/sink EU blockade, or nuke the degenerates.
There is extreme likelihood of EU understanding Russia makes a better friend than US in long term, and failure of this understanding is certain electoral failure. That center-moderate support for nazis in Ukraine is not the obvious moral high ground over home nazis, that happen to be nato skeptics, everyone here seems to think it is. The Ukrainian nazi diminishment of Russia is only a EU favour to US.
Russia has a Pacific coast that means it never needs to use Panama Canal.
A blockage of military ships and not civilian ships is not out of the question.
And having pacific ports and no access to the North Atlantic would mean using the Panama Canal or going around Africa or South America to reach the Atlantic.
They would only need access to North Atlantic if shipping to North America. This would be because they are welcome to ship there, and they would join in seeing it as unwelcome any blockade efforts. There is an international waters path to get there. Greenland and Panama have zero impact on Russia.
Those international waters are very narrow and have been a thorn in the side of Russia forever.
They invaded Ukraine to get access to the Mediterranean through the Black Sea and Turkey because they have no current way of getting Naval ships to European shores without circumventing the globe or sailing through the narrow stretches of the ocean that NATO is capable of blockading.
The narrowest passage between Iceland and other NATO member is 800km wide with paths that have no international rights for jurisdiction/interdiction.
Crimea has better ports, but Russia still had Black Sea border without it, and had a lease for port prior to the nearly unanimous referendum to abandon a Ukraine made to hate the vast majority of Crimeans. Crimea was a gift to Ukraine in 1957, people still alive, and there was little to no ethnic Ukrainian migration to the area.
At any rate, Turkey can permit access to Africa/ME. Other NATO members can only stop trade with themselves, with Spain preventing access to Atlantic.
It's half that distance to the Faroe Islands, meaning NATO only has to control half that distance, which is well within the range of land-based anti-ship defenses.
Whereas free Russian movement along Greenland's coast would be protected if it was under the control of a Putin-friendly US. They'd be even safer going through Bafin Bay to the West of Greenland. Od course that would only happen if Canada also left NATO.
And on a completely unrelated note, Trump is also trying to get Canada to become a US territory.
First, you need to stop with Putin friendly US fantasies. But doing so would make Putin friend EU much faster. The reason to for a Putin friendly US is entirely to diminish/colonize Europe even more than Biden did.
A Putin friendly US still doesn't need Greenland. EU oppression exists without Putin friendliness. EU is not to be permitted to block Russian trade with US, with US-Russia alliance. Greenland for US has absolutely zero benefits to Russia in a normal world. Only to better threaten EU with missiles and aircraft.
The US simply wants to move away from wars it cannot win, towards easy wars. Including vast gains on an already subservient EU. Rather than framing the world in Putin Derangement Syndrome, EU needs to focus on the direct enemy actions of US towards it. Those who advocate for increased subjugation as desperate measures to appease an enemy should be shut down. Russia never wanted to be EU's enemy, and EU needs to wake up as to who its real enemies are.
Directly hateful to Canada. Picking a war US can win without fighting. Europe is next. You need to stop right there instead of framing your thinking around the idiocy of escalating war on Russia or China or Iran as "any part whatsoever towards a solution that frees you from US aggression".
Russia has invaded 2 separate soverign states in Europe for the purpose of annexation into Russia within a 15-year span. The only thing stopping them from pulling more of that bullshit is NATO. Dismantling NATO - an alliance composed specifically to stop Russian annexation of neighbor states - is Putin's number 1 international goal.
Trump is his number 1 tool in that mission right now.
Not sure what your other country reference is, but all lies that US did not capture Ukraine in coup to provoke this war that it wants is disinformation. US wanted this war, and Russia never did. That Trump doesn't want to continue the war because it is losing is neither a good reason to want to continue it yourself, to imagine that US is now pro Russia, or that you must beg US to stay your "friend".
There is no such NATO mission. Only to protect alliance members. That it has unofficially become an antagonist evil with desires to diminish Russia, does not make that its mission. Coups over former CIS states was never mission. Just demonism.
Are you really pretending Russia didn't invade Georgia?
It's literally an alliance formed during the Cold War to prevent Russian expansion. Otherwise, Russia would have been invited to join NATO decades ago.
And to say ownership of the most-strategically located nation in the North Atlantic is unimportant to the North Atlantic Treaty is laughable. But you clearly know all of this. You're trying to influence others to believe Russian propaganda.
Russia invaded Ukraine. Russia invaded Georgia. Russia invaded Afghanistan.
You know who they haven't invaded they'd lusted after for decades? Turkey. But Turkey is a NATO member, so Russia can't do shit without.
In fact, there's a wall between Russia and the West of Europe formed by states that have not been invaded by Russia in the last 60 years, and that wall is comprised almost entirely of NATO members.
Look at it, it's almost as bit as Africa! We haven't found who is the president of Africa, so we had to make do with Greenland though.
My guess is that it has to do with rights to the ocean floor.