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[–] K1nsey6 -5 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lack of resistance is why Trump won. Democrats are part of that, but the blame hardly lies on them alone.

Votes do matter, they're just not enough on their own.

[–] K1nsey6 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's hard to claim lack of resistance when the entire party was shifting to the hard right trying to attract that hard right vote. They cozied up to war criminals, cops zionists and the right wing while blowing right-wing dog whistles there was no resistance

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They were still better on some policies. There would have been space to pressure them in the next four years, build support for a progressive party in local and state elections where they thought they were safe and so on. I can't imagine any timeline where a Trump victory won't be objectively worse on many issues. Like I said, the Dems bending over is part of that lack of resistance, but the unwillingness of many voters to vote against Trump, if nothing else, is also a factor.

How are you consciously standing by idly while watching an out-and-open authoritarian take the lead? How are you seeing Musk of all people crawl up his butt and figure "yeah, I'd rather let him take the reigns"?

[–] K1nsey6 1 points 1 month ago

Not my problem, this is a mess created by liberals for not demanding better of their elected officials or ever holding them accountable for their actions, which is why politics keep getting worse every cycle. As a party they knew they can do whatever they want with no repercussion because voters are trapped in a cycle where they feel there are only 2 options and will come crawling back to them at election time.

[–] Rhoeri -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Harris: 75,012,178 votes
Trump: 77,302,416 votes
Source

3 million people voted third party, nearly 90 million people didn’t vote at all- and you blame democrats….
Source

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes. Democrats alienating the people whose votes they need to win is absolutely a democrat problem.

[–] Rhoeri -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You’re not owed your ass kissed for a vote. That’s not how it works. A candidate has to try to appeal to more than single issue voters. Historicity this has been proven true.

[–] AgentDalePoopster 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No one is asking for their asses to be kissed, we're asking for a campaign that appeals to enough voters in the party's own base as opposed to courting voters in the other party's base.

[–] Rhoeri -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And I said a candidate needs to appeal to a wider audience than to court single issue voters. If those single issue voters understood this, maybe things would have gone differently.

[–] AgentDalePoopster 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yes, maybe things would have gone differently if they had done anything to appeal to people with a proven track record of voting blue (including opposing genocide in Gaza, which most Democrat voters oppose) rather than trying to appeal to imaginary "moderate Republicans". I guess we'll never know!

[–] Rhoeri 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You sure showed them, didn’t you?

[–] AgentDalePoopster 2 points 1 month ago

I compromised on my morals by voting for Harris. Fat lot of good that did me. I learned a lesson, but I doubt that the Dems did.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Play stupid games win stupid prizes

Except it's genocide

[–] K1nsey6 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If it wasn't for Hillary's pied Piper strategy, Trump never would have been elevated with billions of dollars in free media to become president. If it wasn't for Kamala Harris embracing right-wing politics and every policy of bidens that the public opposed, we wouldn't have Trump right now. Democrats are toxic poison and are their own worst enemy

[–] Rhoeri -1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Riiiiight. It’s always something other than what the numbers show.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The numbers show that the dem's embrace of right-wing policies (and genocide) were wildly unpopular, the thing we have been screaming for 4 years.