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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

They are definitely right on the language skills, people keep praising the English proficiency of Swedes but English is not the language politics are discussed, it is not the language of the country.

There are also still many occasions where English translations are not readily available or lacking detail, and before anyone calls me out on this, it is better than the average in any other country, but it is a notable difference still.

If you know you live here only a few years, you are probably fine without learning Swedish in a meaningful manner, but if you are planning to become a citizen it is not unreasonable a requirement.

The values parts, concerns me a little but if it only covers the stuff mentioned in the article... OK.

8 instead of 5 years is definitely not a good development though.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

you are probably fine without learning Swedish in a meaningful manner, but if you are planning to become a citizen it is not unreasonable a requirement.

i had a rant all prepared for this comment, along the lines of 'yeah but they're not doing anything to make learning the language or integrating any easier; they're just adding further alientation and precarity into their lives'… but i realise all those words would be wasted because that's the point.

the rightwing government doesn't want people to integrate. they want to give every migrant such an acute case of Ulysses syndrome that they burn out and fail.

i have heard from people there that they just completely broke down after receiving their citizenship. they spent the years on a residency permit in unfurnished apartments with no lasting or heavy investments in society. they didn't get medical or psychological treatment when they needed it, and they didn't participate politically and stayed in their lane, living in effective peonage to their employers and trying to be model migrants and manage their energy levels so as not to draw any attention to themselves. they were too afraid to make any longlasting commitments in case it would all just be taken away from them on three-month's notice. such a weight lifted from their shoulders that all the stress came barreling out and they crashed hard. this news — that their citizenship can be taken away on vagueties of 'national security' (most of the people i know there are activists), or because of 'crimes' committed long ago in their home countries, or that the rules could apply retroäctively — have brought back their stress right when they were just recovering and finally felt safe digging into their new permanent life.

it doesn't matter that these policies are 'targeted' at 'terrorists' and gangs. these changes affect everyone who migrates to Sweden for any reason. the government's habit of wildly changing the rules every 6 months isn't helping.

[–] WhatAmLemmy 9 points 1 week ago

Conservatisms purpose is to alienate everyone from society. Have the working class fighting each other so they don't fight the social structures conservatism created to begin with.