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Fuck Windows AND MacOS honestly

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[–] [email protected] 142 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (47 children)

>See macOS criticism

>Look inside

>Absolutely no mention of macOS because it's actually Apple hardware criticism

[–] mlg 82 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (26 children)

Well since we're here:

You can't easily remap keys

You can scroll right but not left with the track pad

The delete key doesn't do anything in the finder

There was no window snapping until literally a few months ago

The terminal uses cmd+c instead of cmd+shift+c (really should be ctrl but okay)

The dock sucks when using multiple windows per app

Every app relies on an antiquated menu bar at the top which is straight out of 90s UI

The Fn key is where the ctrl key should be and the alt key is where the command key should be (hardware, can't rebind without addon tho)

You can't control audio levels on external displays (because Apple)

Software does not support multiple displays per port and instead can only have one display per port, meaning in order to have two displays you need one cable for hdmi and one cable for USB-C, can't have two of each.

The mouse acceleration curve is a troll for anyone not using the trackpad, and cannot be adjusted aside from being turned off.

There's a ton more but these were just off the top of my head.

EDIT:

Because multiple people mentioned this, I have a big issue with the command/meta key shortcuts because of Apple's braindead placement of their keys on the keyboard, so its a combined hardware software issue.

I otherwise wouldn't mind having to use command except my pinky has to wrap around to hit alt or I have to shift my entire hand to hit command because using a standard keyboard layout like literally every single other keyboard in existence is too much to implement.

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I'm saying this coming from gaming on ye olde ass cheapo office keyboards for years with no problems, clunky Chinese knockoff keyboards with no problems, and even tiny compressed button keyboards with no problems.

And as others have also shared, I am forced to put up with this crap because of my work. Thankfully, most of my actual work happens inside a nice customized Linux VM, but switching between the host is still required and has been a painful experience. I genuinely gave it a solid shot for several months hoping maybe this was just me never using Mac UI before, but even with all the addons this UI is annoying to use.

I can't run a key rebinder though because the software is essentially a keylogger addon, so coaxing it to run even with IT is a pain, so now I'm probably going to buy another Corsair keyboard I can setup a hardware profile to make this a bit easier when I'm at least docked.

[–] pivot_root 31 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Not defending Crapple, but in the name of fairness, some of these aren't really accurate unless you're ignoring the spirit of the complaint and being pedantic.

You can scroll right but not left with the track pad

You can scroll up, down, left, and right if you use two fingers to scroll.

The delete key doesn't do anything in the finder

You can use command + backspace to delete selected files.

The terminal uses cmd+c instead of cmd+shift+c (really should be ctrl but okay)

The rest of the OS uses command + c for copying. This is consistent.

Every app relies on an antiquated menu bar at the top which is straight out of 90s UI

This is a personal opinion. It's a valid complaint, but it's not a universal problem.

[–] rektdeckard 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

You can (and I do) rebind the modifier keys in System Preferences. Makes it a lot comfier to use a Mac and another machine with the same keyboard via KVM switch.

[–] pivot_root 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I didn't address that one because the commenter qualified it by saying you can't easily change them, which is kind of true. You can change the modifiers, but anything beyond that or changing keyboard layouts is a crapshoot in my experience.

It's considerably better than trying to remap anything on Windows, at least. But, it's also not completely free from hard-coded hotkeys and dumb restrictions. For example, Command + Tab can't be changed or disabled, and you need to use third-party programs like BetterTouchTool to hijack the sequence in order to replace it with some other action.

More recently, I read that the latest OS version disallows registering hotkeys with only Option or Option+Shift as the modifier, which is a very big step backward. Being able to insert unicode characters is cool, but it's peanuts compared to having 80 more options for hotkey sequences that aren't already used by the OS or application.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, but it breaks so many other tools that it is basically not worth. For example, all shell shortcuts (Ctrl+A, Ctrl+E, Ctrl+W etc.).

Neither me nor anybody in my company found a viable solution which is to ultimately learn to use cmd for certain things on Mac (like copy/paste).

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