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So your claim is that sending a few science vessels into the north impacted our ability to help in Ukraine?
I would not advise trying to engage in a back-and-forth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmVkJvieaOA
The whole series is an interesting and somehow still relevant look at how dishonest debate on the internet tends to work. It's a little bit dated because it comes from the era of freelancers, not today's polished professionals, but a lot of the techniques of argument are the same. There is simply no good result, by engaging with them in a factual discussion, any more than you can win a chess game against someone who insists on moving pieces wherever they feel like moving them and keeps insisting that you're breaking the rules and they're winning.
Surprise, surprise. Philip doesn’t like pushback against his NATO propaganda, and wants people to look away.
I provided sources, Phil. They can decide for themselves. And your desperate plea for them to look away just gives away the game you’re playing.
Here's what I think you should do:
I think you're doing really well though! In particular, I think you did a pretty good job with the deflection to taking some factual claim you made in service of that larger Frankenstein's monster of bad reasoning, and insisting that the original claim is factual, you backed it up and showed sources, everyone's just trying to cover it up because they hate the truth. That part was good. It redirected (or tried to, if I had taken the bait) away from the larger issue and into weird minutiae where you can defend that one detail point. So you have the argumentation down pretty well. You just need to introduce more cover to make it a more realistic account, and do a better job of what issues to focus on how much, and I think you can do really well.
Philip, this is a frickin' masterpiece. You ought to charge admission.
The joy of reading it justifies not (yet) expelling @surph_ninja.
So the mod’s criticizing comments with sources as bonkers, and praising an astroturfer for writing a sock puppet guide.
Wow.
The advice to speaking truth to evil propagandists by spreading truth over multiple accounts is "masterpiece"?
I'll open up a Patreon. Freelance NATO propagandist. At the silver tier, you can sync a tier list of Lemmy's greatest propaganda accounts to your client, so a link appears on every one of their comments showing their propaganda tier and a link to them getting ridiculed in some previous comments section.
Folks, this is called DARVO.
Shut up loser
In my tedious mod-duties, I generally frown on insults. They add nothing to the conversation, lower the discourse, etc. And "loser" is so Trumpian.
One of the many reports received about this thread described @surph_ninja as an "odious cockwaffle." Now, that's an insult. If we must stoop so low, let's at least be creative about it.
Added more links. Ammunition stockpiles and military assets have been depleted across Europe.
That doesn't at all address what I said. How do us science boats in the North impact our help in Ukraine. That was your claim.
You need to re-read it. That was never the claim. The US annexed more area off the continental shelf. At the same time, the US has Europe burning through ammunition and military reserves.
One did not cause the other, but they are both part of increasing US expansionism.
You think that helping Ukraine defend against invasion is expansionism?
I think I'm in a chess pigeon situation...