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I really don't get what you're trying to get at with the reservation thing. Please explain it.
Are you making the argument that ethnic Romans should have reservations...?
I was under the impression the reservation system is far from ideal, at best executed terribly, and is a small concession for the destruction of culture hundreds of years ago from colonial endeavors.
You are saying that modern indigenous people are not of the same people as their ancestors.
So why should they be given ancestral land and autonomy? According to you, the modern Sioux aren't of the same people as the ones who were there before Europeans got there, they're just Americans.
So why do they get special reserved land and autonomy? Why do they deserve it based on your rationale that they are not the same people?
No, I'm saying they are not the same people. They are ancestors.
Because it was brutally taken from their ancestors and caused a great change in their culture, land, and way of life?
Again this "of the same people." I'm saying they are not THE same people, they are ancestors.
This is your argument that you're having with yourself. I don't know why you're so hung up on reservations or "deserving" land. The question was, are the people of today the same as the past and the simple answer is no. Time has dramatically changed the language, culture, and borders of these civilizations... Which is why even in your question you had to delineate between the modern Sioux and the pre-colonial Sioux.
Wait, so your whole argument has been that the Mayans aren't immortal? Yes, I'm aware.
That's literally been this whole conversation. Reread your own posts.
For the nth time, yes they are different. You went on a tangent about reservations for some reason but the point remains, ancient Mayans are not modern Mayans. They are clearly distinct but that doesn't mean we shouldn't attempt to rebuild and preserve the ancient culture.
Dear Quetzalcoatl, this is all because I accidentally left out the word "of" in one post?
This. This right here Squid. You're being disingenuous and you know it. Mexicans or modern Mayans as you consider them, did not build Chicken Itza. Ancient Mayans did. They are not the same. Mayan culture may live on but, to bring this full circle, Italians did not build the Colosseum.
In what way are they not the same apart from not living at the same time period? Again, you're making the argument that indigenous people today are no longer indigenous.
Who built the Colosseum?
Romans? And many of their descendants live in Rome and call themselves Romans. What do you think people in Rome call themselves?
And I already explained that the Romano-British, who are called that, did not build Hadrian's Wall because Hadrian had legionnaires from other parts of the empire do that.
The only reason they're called Romano-British is to show what time period they're talking about. As for who built Stonehenge? Neolithic British people. Any archaeologist will tell you that.
So the Italians didn't build the Colosseum? I'm glad we agree. Mexicans did not build Chichen Itza, ancient Mayans did.
Are you saying Romans aren't Italians? Are you suggesting the Italian Peninsula isn't the Italian Peninsula? Because if you are, we do not agree. Especially when the Romans themselves called it Italia, just like modern Italians do.
Also, Teotihuacan is in the Valley of Mexico. Did Mexicans build it?