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Advertising needs to become as socially acceptable as smoking.
It’s the most pervasive pollution wrought upon our environments, and amplifies the carcinogenic perpetual growth delusion.
People are not willing to pay for services that they get for free.
How, precisely, does that relate to, or negate, what I posted?
You can't ban something that basically supports all products that people use for free. You can't compare it to smoking. Some advertising is pure pollution, like highway billboards
If cannot operate service without invade everyone with annoying bullshit, then simply do not. Never start.
They should not exist in first place.
So you are willing to pay for the content you consume?
I am paying for the content I consume, yet I still get ads. Why is that?
And don't say it's due to rising costs of production, because their profits somehow also grow every year.
Probably because of the platform? No idea, you don't give details.
If paying doesn't prevent ads, how does your suggestion help?
I'm not sure it makes sense to talk about any specific platform since multiple are starting to introduce this, and more will follow. But if you'd like we could go with Amazon Prime Video. Why are they showing me ads, even though I'm paying for the service?
They are trying to squeeze every cent possible, in typical Amazon fashion. If you don't like, speak with your wallet and cancel the subscription.
Ah, so I should pay for the content, but since that's not enough I should boycott and not consume media.
Or we can recognize that individual user action doesn't help and regulate ads, because as I said, it's not just Amazon that's trying to squeeze every cent possible. It's every company. Netflix has ad-supported plans (and is phasing others out), YouTube still shows some ads with Premium, ...
It's not just one company, it's all companies.
You said it, ad-supported. Pay a little and watch ads, or pay more and don't watch ads. Prime apparently doesn't offer the second option.
Translated to American: Costco charges a membership and Walmart doesn't. You still have to pay for the groceries either way. You don't like the membership? Shop at Walmart.
Sigh... I specifically didn't bring examples because it was obvious you'd pull this.
These services used to not be ad-supported at all. Amazon Prime Video used to be ad-free. Netflix used to not have an ad-supported plan. YouTube probably was always shit enough to show ads with Premium, don't know about that. But it's neither a coincidence nor an accident that prices keep rising AND ads are being introduced. It will happen to all the other services too.
Translated to capitalist bootlicker: All companies are enshittifying their services. You can't escape it unless you boycott everything. It's not a company-specific issue.
And, as a German, let me tell you a hearty "fuck off" with whatever superiority complex you're trying to show off.
So you didn't want to bring examples because you were afraid of being proven wrong? At least you're self aware...
I didn't want to bring examples because you're obviously more interested in pointing at specifics of the current state while completely ignoring the larger picture.
"Oh, Netflix is introducing ad-supported plans and phasing out ad-free plans? But you can still use the ad-free ones while they exist! Oh, Amazon Prime Video has ads for paid plans? But you can still boycott them!"
You're behaving like a conservative screaming "See? WINTER IS COLDER THAN LAST YEAR!". We both know that they'll continue to enshittify their services, both by increasing prices and by introducing ads (and making them more expensive/impossible to ignore). Why are you acting like this isn't this the case?
Most services have ad-free plans. YouTube, Disney+, Netflix, Spotify... I don't know any others to be honest, I guess HBO has something? . Prime seems to be the only one to not have an ad-free plan (haven't checked tho).
And they are slowly but surely going away. Is this really such a hard concept to grasp?
Netflix for example recently removed the basic plan in Germany, you now either choose the ad-supported (cheaper) plan or the very expensive one. Other services are making similar moves. They are increasing the prices of ad-free tiers to ridiculous levels and will be increasing ads on all tiers over time as well as prices.
Which part do you not understand?
Yes, a generalization over a sample of 1 is really hard to grasp.
I mentioned multiple services. Where the hell do you find a sample size of 1?
Actually scratch that, seems like even prime offers an ad-free plan: https://www.primevideo.com/help?nodeId=TD5EYJIUGQMY13QQdi
So, totally made up problem.
Amazon prime seems to be the only one to not offer an ad-free plan. You tell me.
This is a false dichotomy, and illustrates the pernicious terminal incuriosity and learned helplessness modern society incentivises, rewards, and celebrates.
There are models other than incendiary extraction and debasement which can be implemented to value and promote creative work. Elevating the legitimacy of advertising in its current role perpetuates its abuse, and suppresses these preferable alternatives.
sick words bro but dude u got any practi-cool ideas? or just complaints :/
Care to share some of those models?
In the society where I live, journalists, artists, developers and others like to have food and shelter. Ads is 9nr way of paying for it, cash is another. What do you propose, paying in exposure?