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My favorite retort to those advocating for running over protesters:
If it's OK for you to run over protesters blocking your path on the highway, it's also OK for me to set fire to your car if you park it in the bike lane.
This is a style of protest where I really have a problem. My stance on it is "protest however you like, do not block roads". I understand that the point of a protest is to be disruptive but I feel like that is a line too easily crossed.
An example I expirenced was a long time ago when I lived in Boston and there was some climate protestors that did their stunt on mass pike (the big highway into the city). They put a pipe through a bunch 55-gallon drums, dragged them out of their trucks onto the highway, handcuffed themselves to another protester in the pipe, and then filled the drum with instant concrete. Blocked traffic for hours while the cops had to cut them out of their contraptions. The problem was that there were several emergency vehicles stuck in the jam that they made, while protesting is an admirable persuit, these people caused the ~~deaths of atleast 2 others~~ (the redirection of emergency services, and endangered the lives of random individuals) because the ambulance they were in got stuck in the gridlock. ~~IIRC, most of the protestors got manslaughter or worse charges and spent a few years in prision~~ . (Edit: It was pointed out I am misremembering the concequences for its organizers and what they were protesting, the point still stands)
This may just be a random internet tale to most, but it really should highlight that protesting must be more than random disruption and it has to be coordinated (within itself and with local municipalities), otherwise people get hurt.
"I see your point, but... downvotes" -Lemmy
The person proposed that people protesting climate change shouldn't block roads because cars are more important (or something - they didn't argue all that thoroughly and their one example wasn't as they described it)
I think they deserve the down votes
I think the point is that making people hate you isn't going to bring them to your side. If you look at the successful protests throughout history, you'll find that none of them tried to make the general public hate them.
The goal isn't to get random people hearing about it to support you. The goal is to sabotage and disrupt fossil fuel production or consumption. Being inconvenient is the entire point.
If that was the goal, they are even less successful than I thought. No wonder the big oil companies are willing to fund them.
This is indeed what the masses do on every social platform. Too lazy to have a discussion or formulating a response. Down vote, and on with my day, let's go. 👉
I see at least a dozen of answers, and they all add something to the discussion instead of just repeating "don't block traffic".
I said "the masses".