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Let's not pretend that the Nazis didn't have a massive amount of support (and still does). Reminder that the vast majority of Germans at the time were in full support of the Holocaust in the same way that the vast majority of Israelis are in full support of the genocide in Palestine. Badmouthing the Holocaust in any of the Axis Powers countries would have been met with the same kind of backlash, and people in the Anglosphere just don't want to admit that the societies we live in are the new Axis Powers and do in fact want the Palestinians exterminated the same way that Nazi Germany wanted the Jews exterminated.
Then. We. Should. Stop. Arming. Israel.
Because as it stands now, Western countries are not just complicit in genocide, they're actively helping to perpetuate it. Your tax dollars are being used to exterminate an ethnic group. Mine too.
If we were to ACTUALLY call it a clusterfuck and walk away, that would be BETTER than what we're doing right now.
Israel was holding ~12k hostages held without charges or access to legal representation when Hamas took theirs on Oct 7, just after Israel had taken over al aqsa mosque on Oct 4.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/4/israeli-settlers-storm-al-aqsa-mosque-complex-on-fifth-day-of-sukkot
Hamas tried to trade those hostages the very next day. Israel refused to trade any Palestinian hostages. So Hamas refuses too. If you'd be honest, you'd admit that Israel doesnt want those hostages back. They'd much rather have a new flimsy reason to blow innocent civilians up and steal their land. And what was Israel doing stealing Al Aqsa mosque on the 4th? was that just a peaceful thing you think? Not intended to stoke conflict, just minding their own business, is that your story?
"Let’s call it a cluster fuck that has been going on for 100s of years. And will continue well past your and my deaths."
-- You
By your own logic, we should let Israel deal with its own problems. Why does the West have to keep supplying them with weapons?
Also, Israel's actions since Oct 7 have exceeded tenfold the depravity of Hamas's crimes on that date so it's interesting how selective your sympathy is. Getting kidnapped or killed by Hamas is horrible, obviously, but can the same not be said about getting carpet bombed by Israel?
Yeah because that was such a successful thing and definitely didn't make things worse for all involved. It also totally didn't kill far more civilians in the Middle East than the 9/11 attacks killed civilians in the US.
Stop pretending that was some heroic thing and just admit that it was an act of revenge and collective punishment. Just like what Israel is doing right now.
They've been paid back for their attack 100 times over. What exactly do you think would get them to release any remaining hostages at this point?