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Yeah I'm pretty sure you misunderstood something, because "do not forgive them under any circumstances" doesn't come up anywhere in the Quran and ignoring that part the one example that comes to mind has "if they choose peace choose it too" right after.
So, Islam is a religion of peace as long as the other end is peaceful too? Do to others what they do to you. If they start a fight, continue it, and escalate it until total obliteration. Unless there other side now has chosen peace, then don't exterminate them. Yeah, revolutionary spiritual teachings, very deep.
This exchange of arguments actually has planted the seed of wanting to know about Islam better, so I can totally criticize it with better arguments. My "I had the Quran once in my hands briefly and randomly read some out of context retrograde stuff there" pales in comparison to this great teaching you are bringing to the table.
I can see why countries that had some sort of Islamic revolution at some point are totally great places to live. Nothing inhumane happening there.
Seriously, thank you, this has lighten some really weird spark in me about wanting to know even more about religion as I do now. Do you have some recommended materials besides the word of the prophet himself? Some kind of commentary, dictionary, or reference? Anything that would help me navigate such fun and exciting waters. I'm honest with this part, I'm not sarcastic at all, I really want to understand it better.
Huh? Fuck no what the hell are you talking about? Islam has rules of engagement and explicitly forbids attacking non-combatants. Other than that in Islam Jihad has two purposes: protecting Muslims and spreading Islam, in that order. Neither are helped by a war of extermination, and historically Muslim states have been on the side of "convert or pay the tribute and we'll leave you alone".
Okay seriously, why are you attributing that to Islam and not colonialism and the cold war? Secular post-colonial states in the Middle East aren't doing much better.