this post was submitted on 30 Dec 2024
67 points (100.0% liked)

Fuck Cars

9865 readers
906 users here now

A place to discuss problems of car centric infrastructure or how it hurts us all. Let's explore the bad world of Cars!

Rules

1. Be CivilYou may not agree on ideas, but please do not be needlessly rude or insulting to other people in this community.

2. No hate speechDon't discriminate or disparage people on the basis of sex, gender, race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, or sexuality.

3. Don't harass peopleDon't follow people you disagree with into multiple threads or into PMs to insult, disparage, or otherwise attack them. And certainly don't doxx any non-public figures.

4. Stay on topicThis community is about cars, their externalities in society, car-dependency, and solutions to these.

5. No repostsDo not repost content that has already been posted in this community.

Moderator discretion will be used to judge reports with regard to the above rules.

Posting Guidelines

In the absence of a flair system on lemmy yet, let’s try to make it easier to scan through posts by type in here by using tags:

Recommended communities:

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Interesting video specifically on the disappointing state of public transport in India. Major takeaways for me:

  • Many Indian cities are investing in (expensive and flashy) metros, which are posting disappointing ridership numbers, but
  • Most Indian commuters are travelling distances short enough that biking or using rickshaws are quicker
  • India's metros are significantly more expensive for riders than other methods of transport
  • Bus fleets in Indian cities aren't growing, while their populations are expanding rapidly
  • Traffic engineers/policymakers suffering from carbrain (sound familiar?)

Interesting watch, I'd say, as a non-Indian who doesn't see much content about the world's most populous country posted much

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

India is already a country where many people use bikes; it's a pity that the government doesn't want to encourage that avenue and make it safer for cycling to be normal and voluntary, rather than a just a cheaper mode of transport.

[–] JubilantJaguar 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

This is classic advice from an enlightened Westerner and I do agree in theory. Unfortunately there is no example of a cycling-first poor country turning directly into a cycling-first rich country.

In my experience having seen the urban dystopia of many of these places, every country feels the need to pass through the materialist car-owning stage of economic development before it can move on to the post-materialist stage of development where people are more concerned about things like the environment and wellbeing. It really is something to do with the novelty of material wealth, I think. People want the small car, the status symbol of material success is literally more important than anything else. Monster traffic jams are worth it, and they can sort-of be fixed, for a while anyway, by new monster roads.

India is at this stage right now. Alongside a few metros here and there, India is also building exactly the kind of monstrous urban freeways that are now being pulled down in Europe and the USA. It seems every country needs to learn the same hard lesson by itself.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Given the dominance of two-wheelers, with some clever marketing wouldn't it possible to encourage more e-bikes and hybrids? Electric scooters could be subsidized, Maruti can market, etc.

People are very susceptible to popular things as you say, and I do agree it would need to happen gradually.

[–] JubilantJaguar 2 points 6 days ago

Hybrids: irrelevant and complex red herring that's already on the way out. E-bikes: sure. But electric scooters will be the real salvation IMO. It's a drop-in replacement which is actually cheaper and simpler. Path already blazed by China. The end of the abominable combustion scooter is now just a matter of time.