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I'm not implying every nurse or doctor does this, but couldn't come up with a better title.

A cognizant patient is above all a free person. A free person is free to accept and to deny care, whatever may come. It's his life, let him live his life as he sees fit. Explain, educate, inform and then ask: do you understand that if we don't do this you may die / lose a limb / lose your liver / fall down and have a stroke and end up bed bound if we're lucky enough to save your life?

I don't understand the logic playing mental gymnastics to make a patient stay at a unit because the nurse or doctor in charge are convinced it's in the patient's best interest to do so, even when after education he wants to leave. I'm the odd one at my unit, as most of my coworkers do vehemently disagree with me, as they expect me to provide care AND to care. They feel they lost if a patient leaves against medical advice.

To me it looks like they don't understand individual freedom and forget that a patient is still a free person. I wouldn't want to be my coworkers' patient.

You cannot stop grown ups from making stupid choices. The cognizant patient gets to decide his answer. Not a nurse or doctor convinced they get to decide for the patient.

Another problem I see: say you force a cognizant patient to stay at your unit because you are convinced you are doing the right thing. Why do you think he's going to be a pleasant patient to work with? People lash out when they feel trapped and they insult and punch personnel. What's the point?

Punched coworkers will call in sick and start looking for jobs elsewhere, some insulted ones too.

Wouldn't it be better to inform, document, let him leave, move on?

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago

From an EM perspective, patients are often stupid as fuck and wouldn't know what was good for them if you beat them over the head with it. Sometimes their stupidity brings acute death if they leave my ward, and I don't want that on my conscience, not to mention legal exposure. If I thought a patient was wanting to leave for some stupid reason and life and limb is on the line I would absolutely do everything short of directly lying to a patient to keep them under care until they are stabilized. Full stop. It is my ethical and legal obligation to treat patients, even if they are too ignorant or obtuse to understand that is the reason any of us are there. Call it mind games, manipulation, whatever; I do not want a sick patient leaving until I am sure that they won't die from what they came to me with or be back within 24h for the same thing, and I will do whatever I can to keep a patient's stupid ideas from getting them killed.