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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards
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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.
Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.
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Their claimed gender is literally a dragon.
Dragons aren't real.
Dragons.
Aren't.
Real.
This isn't my first experience with people using neopronouns, and I explicitly stated a willingness to use neopronouns.
You're engaging in an online community that's become so insular and self-absorbed that it's become indistinguishable from parody. You're literally defending dragonfucker as a gender, and furthermore saying that questioning any identity is inherently unacceptable.
Get help.
Literally all genders are made up, why are you getting so bent outta shape over a totally reasonable rule just because one person who stands to benefit from it is kinda annoying???
Gravity is just made up too. Doesn't mean I'm going to take someone preaching intelligent falling seriously.
Look, if you want to have your fantasy roleplay where dragonfucker is a gender, that's on you. Like I said in the message I was removed for, I'm no longer participating in Blahaj. You have fun with your faeries and dragons.
You don't get to complain about other people trolling when you are being this deliberately obtuse.
Gravity is in the most literal sense a force of nature. It has had measurable effects since pretty much the dawn of time. Gender is a social construct. The only effects it has on the world around us is that which we as a society allow it to, and in the absence of any people who believe in such a concept it would cease to exist in any meaningful sense.
Nobody is sincerely claiming that dragons, as in the mythological creatures, actually exist in material reality. By adopting dragonfucker/rider as a gender identity, drag is aligning with the concept of them in some kinda nebulous social sense I'm not gonna pretend to understand.
Maybe drag's trolling about it, but to be honest, I really couldn't give a shit about the specifics of Dragon Rider's identity one way or the other because I think drag's an insufferable shit-stirrer. What really pisses me off here though is that you've actually made me care about this because in spending all day bitching about how drag's a shit-stirring troll, you have engaged in precisely the behaviour that can make drag such a… drag.
“Gravity is just made up too.”
I apologize profusely for taking this argument seriously. The internet was a mistake; turn it off and leave it unplugged 😭
Yes, it's made up, just like the entire concept of physics and species are as well. Science is a social construct. That doesn't mean it has no relation to reality.
might as well take a blowtorch to the wires while we’re at it
Sorry that invalidating gender as 'made-up' with the implication that it has no relation to reality is such an acceptable concept to you.
incredible crashout we are witnessing here
Please, quote me saying anything about disrespecting drag's pronouns.
To gender itself. Fuck's sake, did you not read this conversation you're jumping into?
nah. change of pace. go listen to trans people. go to the c/main post and see all the trans people being happy their identities aren’t going to be subject to harrassment just because there are imperfect and annoying people out there with fantastical pronouns. maybe understand for half a second that this was never about drag, or you, or gravity, but the endless onslaught of attacks trans people face and how Ada is working to make a space where that doesn’t happen. then perhaps understand that, instead of celebrating the protection of hundreds of trans people, you centered a single trans person and yourself and immediately began to continue the same behavior which Ada sought to prevent.
Because you were bullshitting to make yourself sound better - or feel better, whichever.
Of course, I should go to where any dissenting opinion on the subject is removed and subjected to bans, that will really give me a clear view of the situation! :)
As you yourself said, any dissent on the subject is an admission to an intent to break the rules and a completely justified ban, so why would anyone who disagrees with an ounce of sense who wishes to remain part of the community voice that dissent?
Block... who? The fucking admin?
I am moving on. Blahaj has the dubious distinction of being the second instance I've ever blocked.
nah change of pace. i was letting us get too into the weeds. 50% my fault.
the upvote ratios don’t lie. trans people are happy with Ada. plenty of dissenting opinions there too, if you look. there’s a whole thread asking Ada to look carefully at drag’s toxic behavior for a potential ban, separate from neopronouns (incredibly enough).
if you cared to remember, you would find i gave you… four? examples of ways to voice your concern about trolling while being clear you don’t intend to break rules. if you forgot, here you go no worries :)
yup, and the instance. it’s clearly not for you. (meant to say downvote not report i apologize i just removed the whole thing)
I'm pretty sure Blahaj doesn't HAVE downvotes. So, uh...
Again, as I pointed out immediately below that, if you'll remember, three of those don't actually address the point raised. The fourth one is admissible only in a very milquetoast "I'm objecting but only a little bit 🥺" way.
As I said - already done, before you even entered this conversation.
There was a new update where downvotes from other instances do get federated now. At least on my instance, I can see that the comments are nowhere near as divisive as comments on other posts I have seen on Blahaj (ironically thinking of some of drag’s own posts there lol). The post itself is probably the lowest (just a tad above 50%) which makes sense since cisgender outsiders will have a propensity to downvote without opening the comments :)
Sounds appropriate when the harassment of transgender people is on the line. I’m sorry you feel the need to object with vigorous abandon, but, I mean think about it, that kind of belligerent behavior isn’t going to be accepted by most mods—hardly unique to our discussion of blahaj. Again, there’s plenty of comments there asking for clarification and consideration. The ones that are up simply didn’t voice an intent to break rules.
And how does that reflect the opinions of trans Blahaj users?
'A tad above 50%'
You do realize how horrible that is, ratio-wise, right?
Of course, if given the choice between literally validating one of the internet's 'favorite' slanders about trans folk and simply not banning people for questioning the existence of dragons, one should be as meek and mild as possible in objection to the former course being taken.
You're kidding, right?
I've outright cussed out FlyingSquid before, for example, and FlyingSquid is rightly considered to be one of the touchier major mods around on .world. "This is absurd, dragons aren't real, this is simple stuff" as too ferocious an objection doesn't even fucking rate.
The only mods who won't take that shit are thin-skinned or intolerant of dissent.
Again - other than the horrible ratio of 50% you cited - why would anyone who values the community voice too strong a dissent when voicing dissent gets you removed and banned?
Just saying how I can see the downvotes. Blahaj users (by users I mean people who browse, not registered accounts in this context) downvoted drag to fuck the other week lol.
Yeah, sorry since you are not checking the votes yourself my words aren’t clicking for you. Most of the pro-admin decision comments have a ratio above 80%. My point is that outsider votes crushed the overall post due to it showing up in r/all feeds, but the comments I am asking you to read are very supported even though downvotes are not bannable.
Bruh. We went over this like… 4 hours ago? The existence of dragons thing is veiled language for intent to continue misgendering. Hate repeating myself.
… and I was permabanned by jordanlund for asking a question politely once so…? Sounds like neither of us kid and there is tremendous diversity in how mods act, and that FlyingSquid just might be more unserious than Ada.
Yup, and plenty of them are around, though I admit I spoke too broadly to say “all.” See jordanlund, above, but I will edit my comment to be less overbroad.
See 80%, above, or open the post yourself. I have now accomplished what I wanted from you and repeated myself a few times so I will leave it here. Go listen to trans people, or don’t that’s now your choice, but I can’t just keep relaying their words to you like this.
Okay, but that literally has nothing to do with the point you were claiming to vindicate.
And Blahaj users literally can't downvote, so, uh... I don't really know what you think that proves?
'Veiled language for intent to continue misgendering'
Jesus Christ.
Dragons aren't real.
A person cannot be something that is literally a fictitious creature.
Hate repeating myself.
Or Ada is below the already-low bar of FlyingSquid's moderation, which is pretty damn low.
Oof, and there we go. “Ada is worse than the (perhaps second) most universally depised mod” from you says it all, and I’m happy we reached this conclusion.
To sum up and end it: I don’t believe you are a transphobe, as others have unfortunately claimed.
But you do have an inappropriate sense of entitlement to an instance owned by a trans woman.
And, when that trans women made a decision about how to deal with harrassment on her instance, using mod action and suppression of bigoted behavior from all sides rather than allowing bigotry and misgendering, you responded with a full-force rebuke across communities against her that she did not draw the line for her community exactly where you did.
I hope your time away from blahaj is good for you. Go and talk to trans people. Learn that most of them are so overwhelmed by harassment that they would rather have trolls banned for trolling than endlessly bullied for their gender expression in their spaces.
You centered yourself in a space that is not yours. That’s your issue. Now it’s your responsibility to get over it.
Entitlement is when you leave, I guess.
Let's go over the timeline, shall we?
Ada makes decision I do not agree with.
I sadpost and express my discontent with it in the same comment I express an intent to leave, neither of which are on the meta post in which the decision was announced, nor in either was Ada involved as a conversant. In fact, in the course of the sadpost, I say I understand the motivations, it's just not a place for me.
Ada removes several of those comments for dubious reasons.
I bitch about that on a comm made for bitching about mods.
I get accused of being a transphobe for not believing in dragons on said comm made for bitching about mods.
I am accused of feeling entitled to Blahaj.
The Tumblr defensive swarm mentality was shite there and it's shite here, and if I'd realized it was how Blahaj was going to react to people, I never would've posted there in the first place.
Learn to take criticism, or get off the net.
Please, @[email protected] outline to me how that timeline is indicative of entitlement.
Right there. You tell a trans woman how to run her space. Thats entitlement.
Now I of course don’t know why the comments were removed, perhaps the entitlement, or more to do with the fact that they encouraged further bad behavior in an already hostile situation.
But you came into a space that isn’t for you, and told trans people how to handle a situation that doesn’t affect you. Sorry for using emotional language, but your pathetic “sadpost” is a slap in the face to the daily onslaught of harassment trans people face. Then you didn’t stop. Your subsequent days-long crashout proves to me that Ada made the right choice.
“Learn to take criticism or get off the ~~net~~ instance” yourself. My best wishes for your time away.
... "This isn't for me, so I'm going to leave, even though I understand and don't denigrate the basic reasoning."
"Stop trying to tell her how to run her instance! This is entitlement!"
Fucking what.
I specifically mentioned in that very point that you cut off, in case you forgot how to read, that Ada was not in that conversation or thread, nor did I expect her to be.
Literally didn't tell anyone how to handle the situation in 196. Gave no advice. Made no demands. Jesus Christ.
I love that a crashout is when someone doesn't roll over and commit to a struggle session when accused of being transphobic for not acknowledging dragons as real.
Fuck's sake, you've taken "I don't agree with this decision so I'm literally leaving, wish you the best" as some kind of demand for submission.
Tumblr behavior. Utterly deranged.
Initially I thought I'd miss Blahaj, but seeing these reactions from Blahaj commenters and defenders here? I feel more like I've dodged a bullet now.
My best wishes for your time away.
You have fun with your tribalist games in which reality is secondary to whatever weird persecution narrative you want to peddle.
And try to fix up your reading comprehension.
Unless by 'telling a trans woman how to run her space' you actually meant 'not telling a trans woman anything at all, nor saying anything even around said trans woman, nor talking about how to run the space, but expressing an intention to leave the instance in another community entirely', in which case you need to fix your basic sentence construction instead.
Aw, bestie! That’s not how the Lemmy works. You made people uncomfortable, and they reported you for your content, either for what it invited or for what it was on its face. That’s how this works! You do what someone sees as damage to the community, you get reported, Ada sees your comment. If you were truly minsundatood that badly, maybe work on using nicer words. :)
Oh wow. Okay, back up, this makes me think you misunderstand the situation entirely. Did you read the post? Genuinely think this summary might help:
So now it's not "I told Ada how to run her instance", it's "My comment was reported", glad to see we're moving goalposts at lightning speed. Jesus H. Christ. Are you going to actually present any argument you're willing to stand by, or just jump from point to unrelated point in the hopes of making yourself feel like you defended the tribe sufficiently?
Did you not fucking read the OP? Holy fucking shit. I didn't realize saying "I guess Blahaj is now added to the list of instances I avoid when possible. Unfortunate." was such an aggressive crime in your eyes.
Oh, wait, of course I did, anything that's not total agreement and bootlicking of your online community of choice is an attack against the basic dignity of everyone therein. I forgot I was back on Tumblr.
Again, demonstrating a below average reading comprehension.
Continuing from your summary:
This is not complex. I should not have had to repeat that fucking conversation to anyone over the age of eight, yet here we fucking are.
At no point have you engaged with reality here. You just have some sort of desired narrative that you want to cling to, and so you cling to it in the face of all evidence to the contrary. Hell, in the very post I just responded to you accused my posts of being removed for not being worded 'nice enough', which doesn't even vaguely fit the removals cited in the literal OP. I'm not sure if you can't read it, didn't read it, or are just too attached to your narrative to read it, but in any case, it's really rather pathetic, and quite in-line with what I've come to expect of you. Well-intentioned (in the sense of 'desiring a gentle resolution'), but with very little understanding or capability of parsing arguments that don't fit your axioms. The axiom you're using here being, of course, "The community I like is always right and I will always defend them regardless of the facts 😊"
In the course of this argument, you have ignored evidence provided entirely, deliberately cut off already very-short statements in order to provide an interpretation literally and directly contrary to its explicitly stated details, ignored contradictions when pointed out, and moved goalposts, and yet at no point do you appear to have anything even vaguely resembling self-awareness on any of it. This is either incredibly bad faith on your part, or an incredibly low level of competence, and in either case, you've done nothing but waste time with your disingenuous arguments and outright falsehoods.
Oh, and no, doing so with a 'nice tone' does not change any of that.
You created a space primed for harrassment, dude. Intentionally or not. You’ve seen the descent into bigotry comments sections like those go to? You made a live drama trap for more of the exact behavior admins have the unique goal of fighting to combat. You might as well have titled your sadpost “Hey guys, here’s a space to do the harrassment this entire community is designed around avoiding also I’m leaving.”
The mods aren’t obligated to host open honeypots like that, especially not from users self-admittedly on the way out. If it wasn’t intentional, I hope this helps clears things up! Cuz wow.
The fucking post wasn't removed. The actual post was never fucking removed. Holy shit. Only a few of my comments were removed, for spurious reasons. Quite clearly it's not "The comment section was going to get bad!", it was "Admin's feelings were hurt by critical comments that did not harass anyone, whereas the supposedly harassment-inviting post was left up".
Oh, is that what "I don't agree with this mod decision so I'm leaving" translates to to you?
What a bootlicking attitude.
Again, what you claim is the motivation flies directly in the face of the actual facts of the situation; namely, that the post itself wasn't removed. Individual comments of mine were removed for spurious reasons. The post itself, the thing you claim is the motivation, the 'honeypot' that you think will in some way create harassment and the admins had to react to, was left up, and IS STILL UP, FOR FUCK'S SAKE.
Given that, it is quite clearly isn't the reason, but it's equally clear that you have no actual interest in what's happening. I'm sure you'll move the goalposts, ignore this point entirely, or just outright make shit up, just like you have at every other step in this argument.
comments can be honeypots too.. i never said it was the post itself. you kind of moved the posts on me for that one.
This you?
God, I hate it when I'm fucking right.
ah, i apologize. i do admit that i used language there that slightly misrepresented my meaning, and i see your confusion. this inclarity is my fault.
i was using the term “sadpost” in reference to whatever content that was removed, whether comments or posts. i see that you interpreted the “post” in sadpost to mean reddit-style top-level posts only, where my tendency is to interpret the “post” to mean any content, i.e. the act of hitting “post.”
nevertheless my point stands. you created a space which attracts the very drama blahaj is founded around avoiding.
it’s like you went into r/GirlsWithHugePussies (SFW 😄 and very cute, it’s clothed women holding big pet cats) and posted comments saying, “sorry y’all i have to leave because of the rule that you can’t comment about the women’s bodies.”
So, let's go over this
So I 'created space', something not generally associated with comments, implicitly enabling 'comments sections' in the 'sadpost' which might as well have had a 'title' of (insert the title you made here) despite the fact that comments don't have titles.
So you managed to use a whole hell of a lot of language implying that you meant a top-level post, and an argument centered around the space provided by a top-level post, but really what you meant were the comments. Wow! It's amazing that you managed to accidentally use all that language in such a specific and logical way that fits with your previous arguments made, but suddenly you clarified that DEFINITELY wasn't what you meant when it was called out that it makes no factual goddamn sense.
There are two places where my comments were. One, in the announcement by one of the mods of 196 bringing attention to the rule clarification. The rest, in a post citing the modlog that itself, was not removed.
In what possible fucking way were either of those 'creating space' for harassment? In the former, space is already created without the comment; in the latter, space is already created without the comment. If it was about creating the space for harassment to potentially occur, even assuming you were talking about my comments previously, how would that in any conceivable way reconcile with the fact that the post, a much bigger space for 'harassment', was left up?
Your latest argument makes zero goddamn sense in light of the evidence, just like the rest.
Or if it's like I was posting to GirlsWithHugePussies for over a year with no problem, and then the INSTANCE of GirlsWithHugePussies clarifies that "Dogs are pussies too". The comm of GirlsWithHugePussies mentions this, and when I comment to GirlsWithHugePussies "That's unfortunate, I don't have any desire to stick around guys/gals, sorry", it's removed for 'gatekeeping pussies'.
And rather than dispute it, because ultimately I have neither power nor desire to influence the instance's admins, I simply leave and bitch about my comments being removed for 'gatekeeping' on a comm about bitching about moderator/admin actions.
Then a whole bunch of defenders of the instance come in and say, in this bitching thread on a bitching comm on and instance entirely separate from GirlsWithHugePussies' instance, that I'm felinephobic for not acknowledging dogs as pussies, and one commenter in particular claims that I was acting 'entitled' for daring to mention leaving in the process of leaving, claiming that my anodynely worded original comments were actually 'not nice' enough, and that if I wanted to avoid a removal, I should've just worded them nicer, and that, furthermore, I was 'creating space' for harassment by saying farewell to a comm I'd been posting on for a long time whilst having any reaction to the rule clarification other than utter bootlicking sycophancy, since "It's not for me, I understand, but I'm leaving" was apparently too hostile.
That put it into perspective?
Doubtful, considering what lengths you've went through to avoid any troubling thoughts in your head in the course of this conversation.
So you acknowledge that you left the community simply because the Admin said to ~~report and block~~ disengage suspected trolling rather than engaging in harrassment? That’s so sad :(
No, not even close to what was said, and that's very much the response I expected after seeing your behavior in this argument. There's nothing even vaguely resembling that in the comment you're supposedly responding to. As usual, you ignore the evidence and arguments presented and make shit up.
Although I suppose I should thank you, since this reply clarifies that it's not incompetence, but explicitly bad faith you're arguing in.
edit: i think i misunderstood pug’s comment so putting my response behind a spoiler till i get confirmation sorry for any confusion
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So, if I show you evidence that that was said, you would consider amending your understanding?
promise?
promise ?
its pretty close to what i said. reporting and/or blocking are indeed prominent tools in “not engaging with them,” i will apologize for using non-specific language there. i’ll edit my comment.
my statement ammended: she said “do not engage if you can’t not do validity discourse or misgender” which is such a tiny ask, and yet for some reason that’s a end-all situation for you
Not even close to what was said in my argument, as the next sentence very clearly indicates
An utterly moronic attempt.
Oh can you clear up the grammar here? I think we’re talking past each other—let me course correct. Did you mean “what I said” or “what Ada said?” (or another acting party maybe?) I admit if I got the wrong meaning from that sentence my response doesn’t make sense, and in that case my apologies!
Gravity is just a made-up word applied to a made-up concept used by human beings to understand the universe around them in terms they find palatable.
Like gender.
Gender labels are social constructs, just like the concept of gravity is a social construct. Gender is an extremely complex phenomenon with biological roots. Trans folk don't just get HRT for funsies.
'Fae' as a cutesy neopronoun I have no problem with. Anyone who identifies as literally one of the fae folk?
Yes, that I do have a problem with.
"Your gender isn't real, because what you're claiming literally isn't real nor possible for any human being to be."
Like, holy fucking shit, should I go and take back every time I criticized the conservative 'joke' denigrating trans folk of "I identify as an attack helicopter hurr" because that's now perfectly valid?
I suppose I've been reading it wrong, I would've sworn that somewhere it was said that they were a dragon and a dragon 'rider'. In either case, the essential problem remains that dragons are not real, and they are asserting that dragons are real as part of their gender identity. Again...
“Your gender isn’t real, because what you’re claiming literally isn’t real nor possible for any human being to be.”
I ask again
It was on their profile. I'm not going to bother to see if it's still there.