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YSK There’s someone running around Lemmy posting misinformation against Wikipedia (ponder.cat)
submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by [email protected] to c/youshouldknow
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He generally shows most of the signs of the misinformation accounts:

  • Wants to repeatedly tell basically the same narrative and nothing else
  • Narrative is fundamentally false
  • Not interested in any kind of conversation or in learning that what he’s posting is backwards from the values he claims to profess

I also suspect that it’s not a coincidence that this is happening just as the Elon Musks of the world are ramping up attacks on Wikipedia, specially because it is a force for truth in the world that’s less corruptible than a lot of the others, and tends to fight back legally if someone tries to interfere with the free speech or safety of its editors.

Anyway, YSK. I reported him as misinformation, but who knows if that will lead to any result.

Edit: Number of people real salty that I’m talking about this: Lots

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ever since then, we have bore witness to a brutal Biden/NATO led assault on the entire world

Ah yes, who could forget the NATO bombings that have been rocking the capitals of... where are they brutally assaulting, again? When did the world war start? My news is so full of propaganda that I must not have been aware of all the assaults that have been taking place over the last two months. Maybe they're all planned to happen in the next couple of weeks. Where are they planned to take place?

I am not at all surprised that you are suddenly in favor of the behavior of Western governments when Trump is the one creating the behavior. I'll be back in touch when he starts putting brown people in camps. For real, I really will be.

I think I've exhausted my desire to continue this conversation. It was fun though.

[–] surph_ninja -5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yeah, clearly you’re not paying attention. We just took over Syria, and even after our regime change we’ve been obliterating their military infrastructure, dropping massive bombs on their cities (nuclear material detected with at least one), and have been destroying their civilian infrastructure. We’re also now in open warfare with Yemen, as NATO/US/Israeli forces are positioning against Iran.

At the same time, the western governments have ramped up their crackdown on dissent against these actions, and we’re seeing many more journalists and activists jailed or killed.

Thank you for admitting you haven’t noticed.

I don’t support Trump fascism. I don’t support any fascism. I’m pointing out you support Biden brand fascism, which is why you haven’t noticed Biden has caged and deported 250% more people than Trump. You don’t care, so long as the people you like are at the helm of this brutality.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

nuclear material detected with at least one

Tell me more.

[–] surph_ninja -4 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Okay, I get it. The first use of a nuclear weapon in war since 1945 is just something that every single news organization is totally ignoring except for one web site I've never heard of from India that has it right when literally every other organization Western and not, is ignoring it. Al-Jazeera? No way. Sputnik? They won't even touch it. Nope. We have to go to India.com. Then we can find the truth.

[–] surph_ninja -5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Thank you for taking the bait. We’ve now come full circle.

See, folks? This is how manufacturing consent ultimately works. Get people to only trust what they hear from coverage coordinated with the government, and they won’t believe the truth if you keep it off of the pre-approved channels.

Side note: loving the jump from ‘I didn’t realize we were fighting anywhere’ to ‘we’re not fighting like that.’ The juxtaposition of the astroturfers claiming to be both ignorant of non-western news, but also experts on it, is always such a chef’s kiss.

If anyone would like to see the explosion from the bomb: https://youtu.be/0fIJiC66NGE?si=MSK4dqapU_bA78n6

Keep in mind, Israel/US/NATO are waging this destruction on a country they have already conquered. This only goal of this is destruction.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Side note: loving the jump from ‘I didn’t realize we were fighting anywhere’ to ‘we’re not fighting like that.’

Oh, no, that's not what I was saying. If I wanted to make a sincere response, I would say that fighting in Syria and Yemen is hardly new and hardly represents a world war. But most of my patience to talk with you is exhausted at this point, I'm just sending replies out of sort of a morbid curiosity.

Also from a sincere standpoint: Israel did not just use a nuclear weapon in Syria, because if they had, it would have been detected by the monitoring systems of plenty of states, western and not. There are plenty of people who would have talked about it, to the point that it would be dominating the news cycle, in al-Jazeera and via statements at the UN, even if it were somehow embargoed from every single Western outlet without fail.

Generally, my system for determining who's worth listening to is to take some of their claims, see whether they're total bullshit, and if a few times when I do that, they are not, then I start trusting that source to some extent. So I've done that to you and you're saying some screaming bullshit about Israel using nuclear weapons, I think because you're so addled by propaganda that you didn't even notice that it was such an absurdly over-the-top claim to make that it betrays the disconnection with the truth of a lot of your more subtle claims that are on the surface more plausible.

A person who evaluates statements in terms of, "Is it against the West? True! Is it for the West? False!" could, of course, believe it, but that's an incredibly stupid way to try to determine what is and isn't true. You can get yourself worked into an absurdly blinkered view of reality that's so off-kilter than down is up and up is down. But of course, since you've clearly read your Chomsky, you already knew that, so I didn't need to tell you.

I'm done. Have a good one.