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OP what do you think of Discovery?
I ask this because 9/10 times someone talks about how Star Trek was "always woke", they are usually just salty people don't like Discovery and trying to pretend that most people who criticized it were bigots.
The other 1/10 times it's someone who doesn't even watch Star Trek trying to hijack the sub to push a bunch of performative culture war nonsense. However that usually involves a Tumblr post implying the Klingons were socially progressive because of how Kor treated Jadzia Dax.
For anyone who wasn't there, this moment was revolutionary, at the time.
"What should I even say if my friend comes out to me as Transgender?!" wasn't something everyone knew an answer to.
Having any character (Klingon or otherwise) handle learning that their friend's gender has changed, and react in a healthy way, on screen, on prime time television, was an important positive moment for a lot of clueless future-ally scifi fans.
You cant take the actions of one Klingon and assume that describes the behavior of the species. That's racist.
In the defense of people who constantly post the meme, they've never given enough thought to Star Trek to consider that some random Tumblr screen grab isn't accurate.
I'm always stunned how many people on this subreddit come off as vocally progressive, but don't bother actually watching the show. I guess that would take a modicum of effort.
I don't know if it's perfectly captioned, but I clearly remember that moment in DS9 when Dax's old war buddy reacts to her gender and name change with a repeated big hug and corrected name...so... I'm not sure what we're getting at here?
The issue is there is always Tumblr text below that implies the Klingon are trans forward.
First, the trill are not trans. Each symbiote/human pairing is considered a distinct person, albeit one with similar traits to their predecessor. This is emphasized on multiple occasions throughout the show, and is a central plot point in multiple episodes.
Second, the Klingon are one of the most ass backwards regressive societies in the show. They have a system that's run by a select few aristocratic houses. They are bound by an ancient honor code that only Worf takes seriously most of the time. Women are explicitly disallowed from serving as the head of their house. The idea that the Klingon society is at all progressive is absolutely divorced from any sort of reality.
Finally, all of that is present in episode. Jadzia is explicitly told she is not bound by Curzon's blood oath, because she's not Curzon. The other two klingons basically spend the entire episode implying that as a human woman she's not capable and shouldn't be here. At the end Jadzia hesitates to kill the Albino in a way that Curzon never would.
It's incredibly obvious that people who post that meme have not watched DS9, including the episode they are referencing. Instead, they are leveraging a Star Trek fan sub to push low effort pro LGBT memes.
It's not the pro LGBT part that pisses me off. 90s Trek is progressive of LGBT issues. It's the fact that they didn't even bother watching the show. These people make being queer their entire identity, are in a star trek sub, and are too lazy to actually watch the fucking show.
Discussion aside, I completely agree. Folks who swallow that take that are in for a shock when they watch the show, lol!
Yes, but Trill are every bit as trans as the network censors have allowed, at every stage of writing for them.
Yeah. That's just silly. Klingon culture is deeply regressive, and has been falling into worse states for longer than human history.
But the individual Klingon from that scene is a progressive ( for a Klingon ).
I think that's a bit unfair. People can watch the episode and still leave it with that moment as the shining in their memory as the stand-out.
That episode is an early win in LGBT representation. It's about challenges that come from having a nuanced gender identity while everyone else has heavy gender coded expectations.
Taking away "let's all please strive to achieve the bare minimum example by a mildly progressive Klingon" is a great lesson.
It's hardly the only meme that brushes aside the complexities of an episode to highlight a key moment.
I get the frustration of newbies flooding into a Star Trek forum, but then, that's always been a big part of the point of the show! They'll watch more of the show over time, even while parts of it won't age well. And we will have new things to discuss. Lol.
Given that everyone who didn't like the show was a bigot it made me super interested in liking it.