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How long have people been trying to make smart homes a thing? I feel like this would have happened by now if there was a real mass market for them. It’s not like there is a huge technological impediment to achieving that vision, like there is for VR/AR. In other ways it’s just like VR, a cool idea that’s been around forever, but doesn’t seem to have widespread application or demand.
If apple is really working on this, I consider it further evidence that they are really really struggling to have a substantive vision of the future. Other than incremental improvement of existing products and financially beneficial business maneuvers, what have they done in the last decade other than try to grasp at old sci-fi notions of ‘the future’. I suspect that this can’t change until they get new leadership. Of course, they’ve largely achieved escape velocity in terms of revenue, and are so established now that the money machine will keep working for a long time, independent of any need to be actually visionary.
The biggest problem for smart homes for people who aren't enormous nerds is that nothing works together with each other in a simple, coordinated way.
And, of course, one of Apple's biggest strengths is that they've built a cohesive ecosystem that, usually, works just fine with limited fiddling.
Right now you've either got 14 apps for different shit, or you've built something like Home Assistant to try to glue together all this garbage into a coherent solution. I've gone that route, and it works mostly, usually, typically, fine-ish.
It's a shit experience, still, because it's a pile of random plugins and code from random people glued into something that can't stop fucking with existing and working features and thus is perpetually in need of updates and maintenance and fiddling.
I wouldn't bet against Apple being able to make a doorbell, security cameras, light switches, and a thermostat and then turning that into something that actually works properly in homekit, is kept updated, and is easy to configure and use and secure.
That's really the missing piece that nobody seems to have been interested or willing to go after.
I don’t doubt apple’s ability to make this work well. I do doubt that there is more than a niche market for it. I also think it’s boring, and for some reason, I still expect apple to do better.
Well no, it's not enormous, but Amazon is selling a couple million ring doorbells a year, and a couple million more of their cameras.
It's a sufficiently large market to hop into, especially if you can make a product that's easier to deal with from an ecosystem perspective than the incumbents, which isn't something I'd ever bet against Apple managing to pull off.
Having a Ring doorbell is a game changer. If you've never used one I understand the reticence.
I do think it will be standard thing in the future. It's a basic quality of life improvement having a record of door interactions, being able to answer when you are away, even answering without going to the door. It's easy to understand and appealing to most people.
Ring is pretty Orwellian... Piping the stream from your door right to the police.
Also true. I use it in a business setting and it sort of doubles as a security camera. I would love to have the same functionality at home but it would have to be self hosted. Super creepy for a company to be watching my house
In a business setting I assume you are in a country with a low level of privacy protection since I can't imagine storing images of everyone walking past your door would be compatible with something like the GDPR.
I'm in the USA, but I think they sell Ring and other video doorbells and security cameras in other countries, including Europe.
From my understanding it depends on the area covered. Generally it is less of a problem if you e.g. just point it at the opposite wall in front of your apartment door or something similar restrictive and much more of a problem if you point it across the street. Commercial and residential use are also treated differently and there might also be additional problems due to usage of the recordings by Amazon or excessive storage durations.
I’ve had one for a decade or so. It’s fine. Life was fine before it too. Let’s all stay grounded people.