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We have received numerous reports from users about the closure of the c/android community. While we fully support the original community owners' decision to move to another instance, it will eventually be necessary to open up the community on Lemmy.world. The beauty of the fediverse is that multiple communities on the same subject can exist in different instances. However, if you can no longer moderate a community on Lemmy for any reason, it is important to pass it on to individuals who are willing and able to do so.

To ensure the best interests of our instance members, it is necessary to establish boundaries. Holding onto a community name cannot be a permanent arrangement. It's important to consider our users' ongoing interest in the community if they wish it to continue. While we acknowledge the objective of consolidating communities, current community members ultimately decide whether they wish to join the new community at lemdro.id.

To ensure a smooth transition, we will keep the community locked for another week, providing ample time to inform the active user base about the move to the new instance at https://lemmy.world/c/[email protected].

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[–] MargotRobbie 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Respectfully disagree. For example, [email protected], [email protected], and [email protected] are three communities on similar topic with different mod teams, and the culture of each community is a bit different from each other.

So, for big event like this one:

https://lemmy.world/post/1442053

You can access multiple posts across different instances on the same topic with one click using the crosspost links on Lemmy so it's no less convenient than one megathread, and each post will have different conversations from each other, so it's easier on the individual mod teams for the respective communities as well.

Whereas on reddit this would have been a huge monolithic megathread and would be very hard to manage without a huge mod team.

That's the advantage of decentralization.

[–] dmmeyournudes 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The entire point of link aggregators like reddit and the threadiverse is to centralize discussion and curation. These sites lose utility if you have many different places for the exact same content.

[–] MargotRobbie 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then I'm not quite sure why you would expect centralization on an explicitly decentralized network of forums on the Fediverse.

[–] dmmeyournudes 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

i expect centralization in the way communities work, not in the way instances work. if you want to host a link aggregator, you're building a platform to centralize discussion and content, if lemmy does not work towards that goal of uniting communities across instances, it will fail because no one wants to join 20 small communities to get the same information 20 times over in their feed. this is antithetical to the utility of a link aggregator forum like reddit or digg, and that's what lemmy is trying to be.

[–] MargotRobbie 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Then would you like to go ask the good people at lemdro.id to close their Apple community and centralize it over here please?

It doesn't make sense to me to do so, but if you want it, more power to you mate.

[–] dmmeyournudes 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i don't think you understand what centalizing communities but not the instances means. the communities need to exist within lemmy, not within the instance. tieing communities to instances means for a given community there are dozens of copies, none of witch are integrated unless the users use a crossposting feature that no one understands and doesn't make any sense from a moderation standpoint. users and communities need to be unattached to an instance so they can become less isolated from the people who want to be apart of that community but use a specific instance for whatever reason.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What you're asking for is fundamentally impossible within activitypub. You can't have something that's both acting like a hashtag and is moderated by it's "owners." It's better to just realize that certain cream will rise to the top in time and then fall down as it is poorly moderated. Not everybody federates with everybody else.

[–] dmmeyournudes 1 points 1 year ago

What you’re asking for is fundamentally impossible

if there is 1 thing i know about programing, its that nothing is impossible, the developers just haven't done it yet. there are not enough users on this platform for the users to start tribalizing and excluding people from using the service. all it does is reduce the user base on an already small and not user friendly site.

[–] LazaroFilm 1 points 1 year ago

What I would want is for both communities to exist in parallel, and users can have the ability to have a grouped view of both communities together in a single scroll page. Then posts can still be addressed to one or another instance and would need to follow the local group rules.

Basically folders of favorites that you can view in your home page.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago
[–] LazaroFilm 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m not talking about each page to merge together but rather a way for viewers to group them into a single scroll area kinda like you favorites home page. Then if you want to post, you still would need to chose where you want it published and you would still need to abide to the rules and moderators choices. Each post can still be labeled with its origin.

Basically having multiple folders of favorites would be a different way of insert what I’m talking about.

[–] MargotRobbie 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, like some kind of custom subscription group.