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Previously the reporting on this did not have a political angle and so it was removed from Politics and correctly directed to News.

The charges related to terrorism now give this a political angle.

"Luigi Mangione is accused of first-degree murder, in furtherance of terrorism; second-degree murder, one count of which is charged as killing as an act of terrorism; criminal possession of a weapon and other crimes."

The terrorism statutes can be found here:

https://criminaldefense.1800nynylaw.com/ny-penal-law-490-25-crime-of-terrorism.html

"The act must be committed with the intent to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion."

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[–] jordanlund 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Terrorism is, by definition, a political action. Charging him with terrorism makes it political.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism

"Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is the use of violence against non-combatants to achieve political or ideological aims.[1]"

There's no question that the killing was ideological. I think where the charge has the potential to fall apart is "non-combatant".

If you argue that the CEO pushing the rejection of insurance claims is causing death, does that make them a "non-combatant"? 🤔

Where it becomes a slippery slope is that this is the same excuse the "pro-life" movement uses for the targeted killing of abortion doctors, and they use the same tactics. Doxing, distributing hitlists, etc.

[–] Rapidcreek 2 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

It pertains to a New York law above. The legal charge is defined.I would hope a judge would not consider an argument about what it is outside the parameters of what is written in the law.

[–] jordanlund 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Oh, I'm not thinking about the JUDGE, I'm thinking about the JURY.

[–] Rapidcreek 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The judge explains the law to the jury, along with the idea that they shouldn't apply their own standards for meaning as you do.

I think it won't get to a jury anyway. I have a hunch that he'll plead guilty at some point. Like his idol Ted Kaczynski did. I think a jury would be bad for him in any case. Manhattan has the world's largest concentration of FIRE (Financial, Insurance, Real Estate) employees.

[–] jordanlund 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

It will definitely be interesting to see where it goes, it looks like he's got expensive representation, and they're already fighting extradition.

[–] Rapidcreek 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Again, that's not what is being reported. What is being reported is that he'll wave extradition and be in NY very soon. I find this story mildly interesting, but not to the point where I want to be bombarded by every jackass tat wants to provide a take for the clicks.

[–] jordanlund 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Currently, he's fighting extradition:

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/12/10/nyregion/unitedhealthcare-ceo-luigi-mangione

"“He is contesting it,” said his lawyer, Thomas Dickey."

Will he waive it? Probably. I don't see how contesting it will be successful.

[–] Rapidcreek 1 points 45 minutes ago

I have a bit of an advantage in this regard due to the fact I watch NYC TV. There is no question he'll be retuning to NYC as NY has now submitted the paperwork. Fighting extradition does nothing for him.