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micromobility - Ebikes, scooters, longboards: Whatever floats your goat, this is micromobility

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Ebikes, bicycles, scooters, skateboards, longboards, eboards, motorcycles, skates, unicycles: Whatever floats your goat, this is all things micromobility!

"Transportation using lightweight vehicles such as bicycles or scooters, especially electric ones that may be borrowed as part of a self-service rental program in which people rent vehicles for short-term use within a town or city.

micromobility is seen as a potential solution to moving people more efficiently around cities"

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[–] FuzzyDog 22 points 2 weeks ago (24 children)

Idk, Dutch micro cars are pretty comfortable. They're quieter, safer for pedestrians, and environmentally friendly. Had a chance to use one last time I was in the Netherlands. The American mindset of "it has to be a giga-truck or it's bad" really sucks.

[–] tetris11 25 points 2 weeks ago (19 children)

I'm in love with the Citroen Ami

I mean just look at this little guy. If I had ovaries, they'd be popping right now.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

They're cute but very niche. They're very expensive for what they are, those weird plastic folding windows are not fully waterproof, and the ami generally inferior to a scooter in every way except safety kinda. It's not like it can carry more than a large grocery bag anyway.

Owning that car really tells a complete story: "I am a 16/17 yo suburbanite so I can't get my license yet, daddy/mommy is tired of driving me to school, my wealthy parents won't let me ride a moped because it's too dangerous, and riding a bicycle or the bus isn't even an option for someone of my social standing".

Unsurprisingly, it's not been selling particularly well. Which is a good thing, because what cities need is more micromobility solutions not cars cosplaying as micromobility.

[–] tetris11 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I was leaning more on the "I am a 30/40 yo city worker who lives in a small village with no train station and poor bus service. I don't have kids, but like weekend getaways with my partner and this car speaks to my meagre price range and eco sensibilities."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Are you American? Because here in Europe these are expensive and used cars are not.

Here are used moped cars for sale in my country, cheapest first

Here are used cars that require a drivers license

You see these moped cars driven by exclusively four groups of people:

  1. Teenagers who can't get a drivers license yet but whose parents have money to waste on shit like this

  2. Serial traffic offenders (usually DUI) whose license has been taken away and they can't get a new one, either for a while, or ever

  3. Old people whose health is too bad to be allowed to drive a car

  4. People who just for some reason can't pass the normal drivers education and exams.

They're pretty much just a legal loophole for most people.

I am a 30/40 yo city worker who lives in a small village with no train station and poor bus service. I don’t have kids, but like weekend getaways with my partner

Good luck driving to the city every day, or going on weekend getaways, at max 45 km/h. If you go over that, police will have your car inspected in case you've defeated the speed limiter. If you have, it's illegal to drive it.

I can see why you MIGHT think it's a good idea, but what you're really looking for in the scenario you imagined, is a nice tiny car that's actually allowed to be used as a car. I.e: Allowed to go above 45 km/h, available used for a sensible price, etc. Toyota Yaris, Nissan Leaf if it has to be electric, etc. The Leaf isn't even that tiny, but first gen ones are much cheaper than an Ami.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Then get a small car like a VW Up. It will be cheaper, will be more practical in literally every way, and will have a lot more range. It's also not limited to 45 km/h, which you will quickly find is painful on the kinds of semi-rural roads that separate your hypothetical village from the city.

With a 75 km announced range and no fast charging (!) your best bet for a weekend getaway is to use the Ami to get to the nearest train station. Hell, if you can't charge at work it might even struggle to get you back home.

The Ami is simply a terrible value proposition if it's your only mode of transportation. And if it's your secondary mode of transportation, then its carbon footprint skyrockets as all the lithium that makes up its battery will hardly be used over its lifetime.

One can always make up a scenario where someone, somewhere, somehow has the exact situation to justify such a purchase, but it is very niche. What Citroen really tries to market it as is a "city car", which is anything but a green concept but also the only way a 45 km/h car with 75 km of range actually makes sense.

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