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[–] [email protected] 21 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

If your friend is willing to make the effort to combat this, she should get organized. She should find like-minded people, act locally to gain political power, and create a stronghold where the illegitimate government will face resistance. She should base this around ideological lines, rather than willingly subscribing to what experienced members in established political elites in her country are trying to make her say or do. She should write down whether values are and make sure to keep them close at all times, knowing that she just might be successful and that power corrupts.

She should not give up hope, but she should give up the belief that others will change anything for her. She needs recognize that her country is already broken, and she needs to act to be the change.

She needs to recognize that she's not powerless. She can make a difference.

Likewise, she needs to recognize that it's a long and painful process. It needs to start locally, and it might always stay local. But that is fine.

She needs to realize strength is in the community. Building the community of like minded people working for local action is crucial. She'll be disappointed in them at times, but she'll just have to keep going. There's power in community.

At least that's what I think I'd advice her. But I don't know your friend or her situation, obviously.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie 6 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

She says she grateful for your thoughtful response and did not intend to be rude but asked if you had any examples of this working. I told her that would be rude because you're a very kind thoughtful person so don't mind her.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

She'll be happy to hear that it has worked on numerous occasions throughout history! After the fall of Fascism in Europe, people in many countries got together and created strong welfare states in the post war period. Some were more successful than others, but even in the ultraconservative UK they managed to create a national health service that hs proven difficult to kill off.

Sadly, I'll have to break to her that the fight never ends. The second you stop fighting for progress, some asshole will pop up and try to instill feudalism again. After a generation or two people tend to forget the ongoing nature of this threat, and it seems we haven't managed to come up with ways to permanently get rid of it, despite our best efforts following the French and American revolutions.

Maybe the time has come to go back to the drawing board, and rethink some of the decisions that were made back then. Jefferson said every generation should have its own constitution. Maybe he was right.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

are you guys getting a divorce

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie 3 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

We just want you to be happy and every thing right now is really taking a toll

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

It has worked after a violent struggle forced the system to change or gave opportunities for previously oppressed voices to come into power.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago

Yeah, generally people need quite a bit of nudging before they get off their asses.

So now seems like a good time to start - no reason to wait for things to get even worse. This is why I stress the community building - it only really requires people to fight back, but it does require people to fight back.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago

Yes: all modern democracies.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

The Underground Railroad comes to mind.

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