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I use liberalism to mean liberalism:
There are many Marxists who are opposed to much, if not all of these things. They are unequivocally opposed to the right to private property. That is foundational to Marxism. Marxists-Leninsts specifically do not seek the consent of the governed, nor are they committed to the protection of individual rights, liberties, or political equality. You might think that makes them fascists, but they don't consider themselves fascists. They do, however, consider themselves anti-capitalists.
If your claim is that your statement was meant to mean "Marxists are against capitalism" I'll believe you. Your other claims are things they say about liberalism btw, don't think about that too much.
If that is what you meant, I'm willing to believe you just said something hopelessly trite in the context, but I think we both know you meant it as a synonym for progressivism.
Whole lotta assuming going on here
You have to assume meaning when people aren't using words correctly.
Well, you're wrong. I said liberalism, because I meant liberalism, and I gave you a definition of liberalism just so we are clear on terms.
Are some anti-capitalists also opposed to "progressivism" (as you define it)? Yes, some certainly are. Again, you may call these people fascists, but they don't see themselves as fascists. Marxian socialism (which is anti-capitalist by definition), does not have to be progressive. Similarly, liberal capitalism does not have to be anti-progressive. Many capitalists at least claim to support anti-racism, feminism, and some form of globalism.
All capitalism is anti-progressivism, and you will never catch that football until you figure that out, Charlie Brown.
If that's what you think, that's fine. I don't really care. But, if progressivism can't be capitalist then people like Bernie Sanders and AOC aren't progressives, since they're not anti-capitalists. They advocate for a capitalist system that has a robust social safety net that's funded by a progressive tax system.
Edit:
From Wikipedia.
I n c o r r e c t A g a i n
They aim for gradual legislative change in a capitalist hellscape. Both are stated democratic socialists.
Personally, I think they're fucking dreaming, but they're doing what they can.