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Alleged UnitedHealthcare assassin praised Elon Musk for battle against “woke mind virus" (www.salon.com)

submitted 1 week ago by TokenBoomer to c/progressivepolitics

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Not so fast, what kind of "anti-capitalist" is praising Elon Musk and retweeting Peter Thiel?

Maybe the culture war is the answer to the healthcare problem?

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[–] TheDemonBuer 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think we both know you meant it as a synonym for progressivism.

Well, you're wrong. I said liberalism, because I meant liberalism, and I gave you a definition of liberalism just so we are clear on terms.

Are some anti-capitalists also opposed to "progressivism" (as you define it)? Yes, some certainly are. Again, you may call these people fascists, but they don't see themselves as fascists. Marxian socialism (which is anti-capitalist by definition), does not have to be progressive. Similarly, liberal capitalism does not have to be anti-progressive. Many capitalists at least claim to support anti-racism, feminism, and some form of globalism.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

All capitalism is anti-progressivism, and you will never catch that football until you figure that out, Charlie Brown.

[–] TheDemonBuer 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

If that's what you think, that's fine. I don't really care. But, if progressivism can't be capitalist then people like Bernie Sanders and AOC aren't progressives, since they're not anti-capitalists. They advocate for a capitalist system that has a robust social safety net that's funded by a progressive tax system.

Edit:

In modern political discourse, progressivism is often associated with social liberalism, a left-leaning type of liberalism, and social democracy. Within economic progressivism, there is some ideological variety on the social liberal to social democrat continuum, as well as occasionally some variance on cultural issues; examples of this include some Christian democrat and conservative-leaning communitarian movements. While many ideologies can fall under the banner of progressivism, both the current and historical movement are characterized by a critique of unregulated capitalism, desiring a more active democratic government to take a role in safeguarding human rights, bringing about cultural development, and being a check-and-balance on corporate monopolies. There are differences in specific approaches between factions, including capitalist-leaning social liberals and social democrats versus some anti-capitalist democratic socialists.

There are differences in specific approaches between factions, including capitalist-leaning social liberals and social democrats versus some anti-capitalist democratic socialists.

From Wikipedia.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I n c o r r e c t A g a i n

They aim for gradual legislative change in a capitalist hellscape. Both are stated democratic socialists.

Personally, I think they're fucking dreaming, but they're doing what they can.