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Let's face it, the dems don't care about the commoners, the republicans are actually pure evil, everyone was happy when that shitstain CEO got shot.

Maybe we should build on this momentum we have to drive actual change at the political level.

my first act as president in 2029 would be to issue a full and unconditional pardon of the billionaire killer.

edit:

well alrighty then, followup question, does anyone want to join my newly formed political party? I'm going to start working on drafting our mission statement, or manifesto or whatever it should be called.

Further Edit: I set up a lemmy community for us to post shit about it. If you want to join, that's our official, unofficial space. https://lemmy.world/c/newpoliticalparty

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[–] scarabic 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because it will only spoil whichever major party is a little more closely aligned with it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Can you elaborate please, cause USA doesn’t have a real left party at the minute, does it?

[–] scarabic 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

This video gives a great visual explanation of why third parties in US politics can only be spoilers. They cannot build anything.

https://youtu.be/qf7ws2DF-zk?si=WRctK96W6GrJJO2S

America already has “real left” parties like the Peace & Freedom party and the Green party. Starting yet another tiny party to occupy the left will add nothing. And trying to grow any of these third parties can only do one thing: take votes from Democrats, thereby helping Republicans.

It’s easy to say “US doesn’t have a real left party” but most people who care about that would rather not hurt Democrats and help Republicans, because Democrats are at least closer to the left out of the two major parties, even if neither is as far left as we would like.

The only option is to join the Democratic party and attempt to shift it left. This is exactly what America’s most prominent 3 leftists have done: AOC, Dennis Kucinich, and Bernie Sanders. They know that 3rd parties are a death wish. This is an objective fact. Everyone who cares about the left needs to grow up, accept this, and move on. Just like Bernie has. You don’t see him calling for a 3rd party. And he’s clearly a “real leftist” by any measure.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, FPTP. Im British mate. I know all about it.

By real left, Im talking real terms, not relative to other parties.

[–] scarabic 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I answered you, mate. These parties DO exist in the US they are just really small, and this is why.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Theyre small cause of a lack of funding and an education system and media that tells people anything left is evil.

In the UK we had Jeremy Corbyn run for PM in 2017, in spite of a character assassination that said he supported the IRA and would ruin the country (That was never backed up with any facts...), and people saying Labour just get us in debt (Again, bollocks.), he still came incredibly close to winning, much like Sanders.

[–] scarabic 1 points 7 hours ago

Well I’m aware of them, however small they might be, and I support their values. I would still never vote for their presidential candidates because of FPTP.

So I don’t think that funding and awareness are the issue. Even with those out of the way, it just doesn’t make sense to vote for them.

You’re probably thinking I’m not a real left voter but I assure yo I read the Green and P&F voter guides every time I fill out a ballot, to understand their advice on measures and candidates, but would never, ever vote for one of their candidates in any FPTP race. It would only help conservatives.