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Two questions about cities and their public transit infrastructure (self.fuckcars)

submitted 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) by SpiceDealer to c/fuckcars

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It's been said many times already but cities really need to get their public transit in order so they can fix traffic congestation and improve the lives of their residents but I still have some questions about some ideas I had.

How much would it cost for a city to electrify their entire bus fleet? Yes, people taking the bus is still a good thing but a lot buses still run on some fossil fuel.
How much would it cost a city with no rail/metro infrastructure to create it from scratch?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Two recent examples from Finland, just numbers, you decide if it's a little or a lot.

When phase 1 of the "Länsimetro" subway extension from Helsinki city center to adjascent area and to the nearby suburbs was completed in 2018, it had cost 1188M€ for a 13.5 km route in challenging terrain, and 8 stations. To the best I could find, phase 2 completed in 2023 with 7.5km more route and 5 more stations, and cost 1070M€. This includes the infrastructure, not the vehicles.

The Tampere tram system (started from scratch) opened in 2021. Phase 1 route length was 15 km and 23 pairs of stops, as well as 10 new bridges and such, and cost 274M€+82M€ for the vehicles. Phase 2 is 95% done and 92% paid for, and currently the 7km, 9 stop(pairs) project is estimated to come to a total of 100M€+39M€ for the vehicles.

https://www.lansimetro.fi/kustannukset/ https://yle.fi/a/3-8727469 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A4nsimetro https://www.tampereenratikka.fi/tampereen-ratikka/ratikan-kustannukset/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

My independent research says they could pay for it, but the government doesn't allow it

Cities with leftist presence however have more public transport

This means that this is an issue with the AKP party

H....mmmmmm.....