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They are however better then right wing populists. The only decent option, would be a left win, but in both cases that is unlikely.
They are not really "better" than the right wing populists, as they are creating the circumstances in which right wing populists thrive. Choosing them is just delaying the the right wing populists for one term.
Which is true, except that the damage done [by] centrists is much more easily reverted if you can stop the slide to the right. Centrists will hurt the credibility of democracy but they won't completely gut its institutions. I.e whoever succeeds OrbΓ‘n or Trump will have a massively harder to task to rebuild agencies that are actually able to work properly than the person succeeding Macron/Barnier.
Just look what Macron just did. He betrayed his voters by moving to the right. However unlike the right Macron is most likely going to allow for fair elections. So this enables a left win.
The reason that the left wing coalition in France have the majority but the government was right wing is because of liberals posing as center but implementing right wing politics.
and they got elected for liberal posing. So the left might well grap that vote.