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Tensions between Mexico and Canada have escalated amid Trump’s threat to impose 25% tariffs on both nations.

Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum criticized Canada’s handling of border issues and claimed Canada “could only wish” for Mexico’s cultural riches, intensifying the feud.

Canada’s Prime Minister Justin Trudeau sought to highlight Canada’s border management compared to Mexico’s, while Mexican officials accused Canada of using Mexico as a political scapegoat.

Both nations continue efforts to persuade Trump to reverse the tariffs. Diplomatic relations remain strained as the dispute unfolds.

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[–] givesomefucks 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

It isn’t pragmatic for Canada to lash itself to Mexico under these circumstances

I'd argue the opposite. America needs Mexico, we don't need Canada.

Trudeau could have easily allied with Mexico and likely could have used shipping lanes to bypass America and been fine.

But Canada alone is fucked. And they publicly turned against Mexico and now have to agree to Trump's demands, and we all know they'll be ridiculous.

For a prison analogy, Canada just gave their Peanut Butter and Jelly away without a fight, and Mexico pulled out a shiv when Trump looked at them. trump is a bully and will focus on the easy lick that showed weakness and fear of confrontation.

I swear to God for as much shit as people give when you get a psychology degree, it's insanely frustrating when world leaders don't know the shit everyone learns in highschool from the football coach.

[–] Windex007 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I think what you said makes a lot of sense when you're dealing with a rational actor, and if your facts were right.

Canada is the USAs largest trading partner. Full stop. #1. Canada's retaliatory tariff stick is the largest club that any nation on Earth has to hit back with. Bigger than China's by a factor of THREE.

Secondly, it's irrelevant because Trump isn't a rational actor and it's all gut feel and he hates Mexicans.

I understand why you'd think that the USA "needs" Mexico but not Canada... But that's not right. The USA "needs" illegal immigrants to work for pennies on the dollar, if it "needs" anything... And again he and his base will cut off their noses to spite their face. The exact thing that the USA economy benefits from the most is the exact thing he and his base wants to line up against.

You don't need to do any fancy psychology to understand Trump. He's a hateful spiteful bully with no comprehension of anything who melts like butter when praised.

I guess only time will tell, but I disagree with your assessment and that's why: I think you misunderstand the trading relationships that the USA has in North America and I think you're underestimating how much of his behaviour is driven by primal forces rather than any rational plan.

[–] givesomefucks -3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Canada is the USAs largest trading partner. Full stop.

And the vast amount is stuff where America acts as the middle man...

A full 1/3 of it is fossil fuels while we turn around and keep breaking production records and exporting our own.

They also get cheap manufactured good from America.

Hence:

could have used shipping lanes to bypass America

They need to do it anyway, climate change isn't going anywhere, and artic shipping is already exploding:

https://www.thearcticinstitute.org/canada-arctic-shipping-part2/

The fastest path from Asia to Europe is that route along Canada's northern border. And it gets easier every year.

It would be faster than the Panama canal despite what it looks like on a flat map.

[–] Windex007 3 points 2 weeks ago

That's a really interesting interpretation of trade