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[–] FourPacketsOfPeanuts 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

As a Brit I'm not immersed in American politics day to day. My (unqualified) take from a million miles away went:

"Oh, Joe Biden got elected thank god"

"Oh, he's promising to only serve one term, good that's completely sensible"

"Joe's running again? What? Could they not find anyone better? This isn't going to go well at all..."

"(during that debate) Oh well, looks like Trump's going to win.."

"Hey, Kamala looks like she would have won if this had been the plan from the beginning, not a sudden fumble when Biden's brain melted beyond repair on live TV.."

Seems like - from my point of view- the main culprit was hubris on Biden's part ever attempting a second term. And the inexplicable failure of the whole party to not force him out of that self destructive choice. Other candidates besides Kamala likely could have won, just seemed like any Dem candidate would be fatally undermined by starting a late campaign.

[–] PugJesus 13 points 1 week ago (5 children)

You're not wrong. Biden never formally promised to serve one term, but heavily implied it. Many of us were disappointed when he announced he was running again, but conventional political wisdom that the incumbent has a massive advantage was still a compelling argument. For an incumbent to be forced out is nearly unheard of in presidential politics.

Even after the debate, I was willing to lend Biden the benefit of the doubt insofar as I considered him to be doing what HE believed to be the best chance of winning. When I learned that he had internal polling showing a total massacre long before the debate, my opinion soured from "Idiot, but I get it" to "Narcissistic moron who lost the country to fascism".

Harris started with strong support she could have, potentially, won with, but in the process of 'defining' herself to the electorate, chose what she saw to be the 'safest' choices in a attempt to not lose that lead. Unfortunately, that lead was largely built on possibility, and in the process of defining herself, especially defining herself in the 'safest' possible way, obliterated the ability of all people to see her as all things, and cratered her chances of success. She would have probably had more success with at least a vague argument of change rather than "I can't think of anything I'd do differently [than Biden]", even if it created bad blood between her and the president. Whether that would have been enough to win, God only knows, but I think we can all look back and say, at this point, that the 'safe' choices were not, in any way, safe.

[–] FourPacketsOfPeanuts 10 points 1 week ago

Tbh honest I was surprised Biden was even a consideration back in 2020, he was too old even then and it made the criticisms of Trump's age and mental health not land so well. The moment it was a close call in 2020 the plan should have been 'popular dem by any means necessary'. Not, double down on aging incumbent when they rarely do better on re-election. I can't tell it if was hubris or a complete failure of the party apparatus to believe it could come up with someone more appealing than Trump..

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