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The Ultimate Self-Own: Actively applauding politicians that bypass the rule of law just to own your enemies (youtu.be)
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Has this person even considered the incredibly dangerous precedent being set where BOTH sides of the two party system have constituents that actively encourage them to abandon the rule of law?

What could go wrong?

Those damned leopards were so cute that I walked up to them and pet them.......but they ate my face!

Don't come crying to me when the leopards actually eat your face.

This one video (and the pervasive tendency of Centrists to engage in echo chamber building using "official block lists" on world and BlueSky) has inspired me to start this community.

*Maybe he's joking and I am not in on the joke? *

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

antagonizing people who would otherwise be on your side is a terrible way to gain support.

~~Do you not see yourself, coming here to antagonize people who would otherwise be on your side? Do you have any self-awareness whatsoever?~~

You’re actively fighting with me because I am (rightly) criticizing ~~your~~ a demagogue for resorting to EXTRAJUDICAL means. If I said anything about Trump doing the same exact thing, ~~you’d~~ libs would be like, “Hell yeah!” ~~Please take a moment to reflect on your own extreme hypocrisy.~~

I’m done with respectability politics. I made this community to escape the rampant censorship on Lemmy.world of opinions critical of the DNC under the guise of being a safe space. I made it to be free to point out the blind (smug even) partisan hypocrisy ~~that you’re so adamant about demonstrating for me in this thread~~.

edit: blatant mischaracterization and demonstration of hypocrisy on my part

[–] pivot_root 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Do you not see yourself, coming here to antagonize people who would otherwise be on your side? Do you have any self-awareness whatsoever?

In hindsight, I agree that was probably not the best approach on my part. I have a bad habit of writing comments in the moment, then editing them after-the-fact to further clarify.

You’re actively fighting with me because I am (rightly) criticizing your demagogue for resorting to EXTRAJUDICAL means. If I said anything about Trump doing the same exact thing, you’d be like, “Hell yeah!” Please take a moment to reflect on your own extreme hypocrisy.

I doubt I'm going to convince you, but the people saying "good job biden" or pretending that this gross misuse of power is actually some clever "poison pill" are not my demagogue. I'm just sick of people creating further divides inside of the already-fractured left.

I’m done with respectability politics. I made this community to escape the rampant censorship on Lemmy.world of opinions critical of the DNC under the guise of being a safe space.

For what it's worth mentioning, I've managed to get away with criticizing the DNC in various places outside the politics communities. Those ones are a lost cause, though.

Either way, I doubt there's much of a point to continue trying to share my thoughts on the matter. Ban me, don't ban me. Unless specifically @mentioned, I'll refrain from participating in future posts or comments.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I thought long and hard about this exchange just now over a shower and I thought perhaps I’m misattributing you as a liberal partisan hack. Perhaps I read your quote and painted you with the same brush I accuse others of using because something you said aligned to that definition in my head.

You’re right. I HAVE spent too long in echo chambers. Their rampant censorship of basic truths sets off my anger at injustice.

Perhaps you’re just trying to say “be nice to people”.

but what I’m saying is anyone is free to point out any self owns they want on this on this community. Trump supporters are a cornucopia themselves of self-owns. So, I want to set out right now that you’re welcome to post any instance of a self own. Perhaps even my own in this thread in characterizing you incorrectly is in and of itself a self own. 😅

I will not ban it or censor it or do anything to stifle anyone’s free speech. I apologize if I mischaracterized you.

[–] pivot_root 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Hey, honestly—I deserve a lot of fault. Like you mentioned in the last comment, I was hypocritically aggressive and antagonistic over what I felt was unnecessary antagonism towards people. That's... ironically stupid, to say the least.

It really would have been best if I took the time to think about my tone before posting instead of trying to fix it with edits after the fact. That would've probably saved a lot of frustration for both of us, and that's something I'm going to be working towards being better about.

Perhaps you’re just trying to say “be nice to people”.

Yep, but also with a bit of an ulterior motive on top of that.

This might be incredibly naive of me, but I don't think most liberals are a completely lost cause yet, and I don't want to preemptively alienate them in the same way that they and conservatives have done to each other. I feel like there's still some common ground on topics like corporate lobbying, 2-party FPTP elections, filibustering, etc. In an us-vs-them environment, I suspect they would be more willing to act against common interests out of spite. Or as the saying goes, "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar".

Although, I'm also probably a hypocrite in saying that since I no longer extend the same courtesy to MAGAs these days...

but what I’m saying is anyone is free to point out any self owns they want on this on this community. Trump supporters are a cornucopia themselves of self-owns. So, I want to set out right now that you’re welcome to post any instance of a self own. Perhaps even my own in this thread in characterizing you incorrectly is in and of itself a self own. 😅

As long as I can find some quality content worth posting without giving myself an aneurysm by reading it, I would be happy to contribute 😄

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Thanks for engaging me, though. It’s SO much more productive than me banning your or you blocking me. In the end, I’m so glad we both got to say the things we wanted to say even if it got a bit heated there. I’m happy to call you an ally. I agree that I’d catch more flies with honey; It’s just been me shouting into the void since I watched Bernie get cheated in ‘16 . I’m sure that my anger at the injustice of our political system (from being constantly gaslighted on Twitter by fake-leftist DNC operatives like Brooklyn Dad, Charlotte Clymer, and people like David Brock and Neera Tanden) is palpable even by way of the filter of text.

Thanks for everything…even the ugly parts. And thanks for making me aware of my ugly, ugly, highly embarrassing tendency to mischaracterize the person I am debating (perhaps due to years of being gaslighted by people that did fit those highly reductive definitions to a T). I look back at my name-calling (that I left with strikethroughs) and bow my head in shame.

Ps. I do the SAME thing with the edits! Don’t feel bad.

[–] pivot_root 2 points 15 hours ago

It’s SO much more productive than me banning your or you blocking me. In the end, I’m so glad we both got to say the things we wanted to say even if it got a bit heated there. I’m happy to call you an ally.

Me too :)

I agree that I’d catch more flies with honey; It’s just been me shouting into the void since I watched Bernie get cheated in ‘16 .

Yeah... they screwed over the only actual progressive politician they had, and it's been sliding quickly down the shit-covered hill since then.

To be totally honest, the DNC caught me by surprise this time. I didn't hold out much hope for anything other than the idea that "Trump = accelerationism," (and the in-hindsight regrettably stupid idea of thinking that delaying it was ever going to help) but they went completely mask-off. Courting conservatives, taking endorsements from ultra-rich celebrities, running on a campaign of "we're your only option tee-hee," and Harris blowing multiple hundreds of millions on useless "consultants." And now Biden pardoning his family after claiming he wouldn't. A complete joke.

I’m sure that my anger at the injustice of our political system (from being constantly gaslighted on Twitter by fake-leftist DNC operatives like Brooklyn Dad, Charlotte Clymer, and people like David Brock and Neera Tanden) is palpable even by way of the filter of text.

Nobody can even blame you for that. Fuck Twitter.

Thanks for everything…even the ugly parts. And thanks for making me aware of my ugly, ugly, highly embarrassing tendency to mischaracterize the person I am debating (perhaps due to years of being gaslighted by people that did fit those highly reductive definitions to a T). I look back at my name-calling (that I left with strikethroughs) and bow my head in shame.

Thank you as well. It got a bit heated, but it was an important learning opportunity and moment of self-reflection for me here. It really made me take the time to look back and think about the interactions where I could have done better and approached things with a more level head and less emotional reactivity.

Ps. I do the SAME thing with the edits! Don’t feel bad.

I'm happy to know I'm not the only one 😄