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This is the place for discussing the potential collapse of modern civilization and the environment.

Collapse, in this context, refers to the significant loss of an established level or complexity towards a much simpler state. It can occur differently within many areas, orderly or chaotically, and be willing or unwilling. It does not necessarily imply human extinction or a singular, global event. Although, the longer the duration, the more it resembles a ‘decline’ instead of collapse.

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The climate crisis and all the evil in the world drives me to despair (www.theguardian.com)

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Regarding the climate it's important to listen to the actual science from the IPCC reports. Not the newspapers wanting to sell you despair. Not the social media posters who scream "things are worse than we thought" for every little weather event that happens.

To quote Dr Mann (and I really urge everyone to read the whole piece):

I often encounter, especially on social media, individuals who are convinced that the latest extreme weather event is confirmation that the climate crisis is far worse than we thought, and scientists and climate communicators are intentionally “hiding” the scary truth from the public. It is the sort of conspiratorial thinking that we used to find among climate change deniers, but increasingly today we see it with climate doomists. Such sentiment emerged, for example, during the mid-June 2022 heat wave, where one individual tweeted at me and my climate scientist colleague Katharine Hayhoe: “Again we see that climate science as often presented to the public is too conservative, avoids what at the time are deemed worse [sic] case scenarios. BUT these are becoming our reality TODAY.”

This is not true, or at best partly true. I responded, “Actually, the warming of the planet is very much in line with early climate model predictions. Some impacts, such as ice sheet melt and sea level rise, and the slowdown of the ocean ‘conveyor belt’ are exceeding those predictions.” Current policies alone likely keep warming below 3°C (5.4°F), nowhere near the “worst-case” scenarios.

https://www.aps.org/apsnews/2023/09/climate-doomism-disregards-science

[–] thedirtyknapkin 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

my defeatism comes from the politics around climate change.

so we're on track to avoid the apocalypse under current policy, too bad there's a global shift to right wing authoritarianism happening around the world at the worst time possible for the environment. so many countries are walking back on climate policy and agreements. just like good IT security, when it's working right no one will notice the good it's doing, so many just see it as waste. or worse, they only see the burden it imposes on them.

I'm partially convinced that it's just human nature to forget why we prevent things every 3 generations or so. i think it's only a matter of time now that we have the technology to actually destroy the world. we have to be able to prevent it every time, but they only need to succeed once. it's going to be nearly impossible to create effective climate policy for a quite a while if trump kills the epa like he wants.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Exactly. Don't listen to the doomers and instead read the IPCC reports.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

it's important to listen to the actual science from the IPCC reports

Yeah, no.

Those reports have been massaged by politicians, capitalists, and policy makers to present things in a much better light than they already are.

Simply put, many “reports” are so watered down as to be essentially bullshit.

Look at the scientific papers that are used to build those reports. That is what will truly bake your noodle.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

... or as Dr Mann puts it:

I often encounter, especially on social media, individuals who are convinced that the latest extreme weather event is confirmation that the climate crisis is far worse than we thought, and scientists and climate communicators are intentionally “hiding” the scary truth from the public. It is the sort of conspiratorial thinking that we used to find among climate change deniers, but increasingly today we see it with climate doomists.

That's you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Wow. Talk about gaslighting and malicious misdirection.

You sound like a conservative voter that’s only recently gotten around to admitting that climate change actually exists, and isn’t actually some left-wing conspiracy. Only now your shtick is “it’s not so bad”.

Spoiler alert: it’s exactly as bad as many climate scientists say it is. And there are a crapton of them that are far more pessimistic than even I am, as they are nose-deep in the emerging data.

Ignore the politicians and policy makers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Who are you to claim you know better than Dr Mann? Have you even ever read any actual climate science papers or do you get all your doomism from other doomers?

Did you know that IPCC AR6 downgraded the "worst case scenario" - or maybe that's something you just ignore since it doesn't fit with your world view.