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Remember when normies couldn’t even find what they wanted via normal web searches?
This seems like that.
maybe it was a mistake to lionize a corporate monopolist to the level where we ostracized people for not being “good” at using their trap of a product
My school had a class in the early 2000's on how to use a search engine. It certainly wasn't just about Google, at the time.
Are you telling me you never had that painful experience watching someone else use a computer to perform a search and struggle to find basic things? It's possible to be "bad" at it.
congrats on asking jeeves
is it bad to be bad at a system designed for exploitation? maybe your grandma had a point
in the early 2000s*
What does three word normie mean to you
People who struggle to find basic things via web searches. That is, before the somewhat recent ratcheted up enshitification.
Generally, people who don't know how to work with the systems. As it relates to newer LLM search tools, not knowing how to prompt it correctly to get the desired output, knowing the limitations of LLMs to prevent you from doing something stupid, and knowing to check the sources that most of these LLMs provide before fully trusting the info it provides.
Normies are the ones microwaving their phones after 4chan encouraged them to which happened way before LLMs were spitting out sometimes bad info. Those are the same people who are going to eat glue or whatever the LLM says because it read too much Reddit.
This is you: LLMs are good, except they are enshittifying search, which follows from the fact that LLMs are bad. But actually, even though they are bad, I know how to use them, so LLMs are good, actually. Normies are dumb and I’m better than them and it doesn’t matter if search is good or bad, normies r dumb and normies will never learn to google good which they can learn from me, a LLM understander who is very smart
You misunderstood me.
The enshitification I was referring to is the increasingly bad, non LLM search results Google is returning.
I've said this elsewhere but a good 90% of my searches don't involve LLM results whatsoever.
Normies also don't seem to know what should stay a "standard" search (most searches, IMO) and what might be useful to utilize an LLM for.
I think your response is a bit aggressive TBH.
nah, an aggressive response is me telling you to fuck yourself as I ban you for a second(!) time for making these exact terrible fucking posts
maybe by next ban you’ll figure out why your PRs keep getting closed
fucking imagine coming back to a place you’re not welcome with this “eeehhh you’re being a bit aggressive tbh” shit
That's just googling with several wildly pointless extra steps of also googling.
I've got nothing against people not using LLM search if they don't find value in it.
That just doesn't describe me or my experience with it.
To be clear, the vast majority of my searches don't involve LLM results at all. But I'm glad to have it on the edge cases where I find it useful.
Such as?
I've used it for code, most often.
I've saved many hours of work with it, in languages I don't really even know.
@capital @quicksand powerful What Could Go Wrong energy
We've come so far and yet some things never change: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25J3u3P-HHg
Yeah, now not even computer engineers can find anything via web search.
If they're still using Google, that's kind of on them.