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[–] untorquer 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

This is so real. It takes a LOT of effort and time to train this out. If someone isn't willing to go through that then it makes sense that it would fester.

I had lots of times when i was younger learning about queer culture when i got mad at things. Especially after an overly polite and patient person took the time and effort to explain something to me. Unlearning hate is painful. Learning to liberate yourself is painful.

I think a lot of people feel that pain and decide to run from it and double down on the hate because that way they don't need to learn and change or pry open their mind to an alternative.

Then there's the whole fear of conflicting with your own community as a factor.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Would you mind sharing what that person explained to you?

[–] untorquer 3 points 1 month ago

Many conversations with many different people. I can't recall as this was mostly a decade ago, before it all clicked for me that humans are diverse and nuanced and it's fine. My guess would be pronouns and wide net incel stuff. Not that i was particularly bad but deprogramming a Catholic suburban upbringing in american masculinity culture and propaganda is a monumental feat.

I think the fact that i was willing to listen, think critically, and engage in self doubt is what invited the conversations. Still, they were being very charitable with their energy and time.

I'm really grateful for that, especially after recognizing in not as cishet as i thought i was.