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US vetoes UN resolution demanding a cease-fire in Gaza because there's no link to a hostage release (apnews.com)
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[–] [email protected] 9 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

It was. Just not the way Israel wanted. So the US vetoed it for them.

[–] fukhueson 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

It wasn't the way the us wanted it. They've held since the beginning of this that hostages must be released if a ceasefire is established. This resolution did not require that.

https://usun.usmission.gov/explanation-of-vote-on-a-un-security-council-resolution-on-the-situation-in-the-middle-east/

We made clear throughout negotiations we could not support an unconditional ceasefire that failed to release the hostages.

Because, as this Council has previously called for, a durable end to the war must come with the release of the hostages. These two urgent goals are inextricably linked.

This resolution abandoned that necessity, and for that reason, the United States could not support it.

Simply put, this resolution would have sent a dangerous message to Hamas: There’s no need to come back to the negotiating table.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Everyone knows Hamas would not have accepted releasing the hostages unconditionally. This ceasefire proposal was the product of weeks/months of back and forth and where everyone on both sides agreed was the best way to move forward as it involved concessions on both sides. The US then vetoed it last minute since the killing Palestinians is more important than anything else.

[–] fukhueson 0 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

The source I provided does not support your opinion.

Rather than adopting a resolution that emboldens Hamas, let’s instead demand Hamas implement Resolution 2735 without further condition or delay.

https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15723.doc.htm

By resolution 2735 (2024) (to be issued as document S/RES/2735(2024)), the 15-member organ noted that the implementation of this proposal would enable the following outcomes to spread over three phases, the first of which would include an immediate, full and complete ceasefire with the release of hostages; the return of the remains of some hostages who have been killed; the exchange of Palestinian prisoners; withdrawal of Israeli forces from the populated areas in Gaza; the return of Palestinian civilians to their homes; and the safe and effective distribution of humanitarian assistance at scale throughout Gaza.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Hamas and the Palestinian Authority both accepted this resolution.

[–] fukhueson -1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Sinwar did not accept it, so no, Hamas officially did not accept it. While members of Hamas had taken it favorably, he did not, and that's what counts.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 21 hours ago (1 children)
[–] fukhueson -3 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

The person who could make that decision did not, and they proposed a new agreement, which is not accepting the proposal put forth. If only Sinwar agreed to it, then Hamas would actually have accepted it. But the person in the article who said they accepted it was not able to make that decision because this decision was up to Sinwar.

https://www.state.gov/briefings/department-press-briefing-october-17-2024/

MR MILLER: The – now, there may – the – so it – so here’s the difference. Over the past few weeks, there have been no negotiations for an end to the war because Sinwar has refused to negotiate. There’s been no path to ending this war because Sinwar has refused to talk about releasing the hostages or coming to a ceasefire. We now see an opportunity with him being removed from the battlefield, being removed from the leadership of Hamas, and we want to seize that opportunity.

https://www.state.gov/briefings/department-press-briefing-october-9-2024/

MR MILLER: So we continue – we’re in conversation with them. We would like to get back to the point of getting to a ceasefire, which would set the stages for an end to the war and would help answer this question about what the future looks like and what the day after looks like for the situation in Gaza. As I’ve said over the past few weeks, Sinwar has been unwilling to engage in any meaningful way in the ceasefire talks. And I think it is probably reasonable to conclude he’s watching what is happening in north, he’s watching Iran’s attacks against Israel, and looking and thinking maybe he’s about to get what he’s always wanted, which is a full-scale regional war, and that may have changed his calculation. But either way, he ought to return to the talks because it is manifestly in the interest of the Palestinian people to get to a ceasefire in Gaza.

https://www.state.gov/briefings/department-press-briefing-august-7-2024/

MR MILLER: I don’t think there is. I really don’t think – it’s what the Secretary said yesterday, obviously, and I think is accurate, which is it doesn’t really change the situation. Two things can be true: Number one, Sinwar is a brutal terrorist with blood on his hands, including the blood of American citizens, and not just American citizens but citizens of many countries around the world. Let’s remember, it’s not just citizens of Israel that were killed on October 7th; there were citizens of multiple countries, as I said, including the United States. That is true.

It is also true that he continues to be the person that calls the shots for Hamas. And that was true before the death of the leader of the – the political leader of Hamas; it continues to be true today. Ultimately, it was Sinwar that had the final decision-making authority, as we can see throughout these negotiations, on whether to accept a ceasefire or not.

So yes, Sinwar absolutely ought to be brought to justice. We believe that, for the – his significant acts of terrorism. And we also think he ought to accept the ceasefire deal that is manifestly in the interests of the Palestinian people as well as, of course, in the interests of Israel and the broader region.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Again, Hamas did accept it. Giving me random quotes from government officials who just vetoed the best chance for peace does not mean Hamas rejected the deal. The deal was accepted. Israel and the US just refuse to play ball.

[–] fukhueson -1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Sorry, the subsequent events and descriptions detail exactly what happened. I'm sorry you don't like the source (based on your own personal opinion), but that does not make it wrong. Your source quotes someone we discovered did not have the authority to make the decision without Sinwar, so no, Hamas did not actually accept it. New information and all...

Have a good day!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

What events? All you've given me are statements from a government intent on prolonging the conflict. That's not an event.

[–] fukhueson -3 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

I posted facts.

Have a good day!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Salty and wrong is a great look on you

[–] fukhueson 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I'll let you know when I'm either.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 hours ago

Looool sure buddy

[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

...No you really didn't. Hamas did accept a ceasefire proposal and it was sabotaged by the US and Israel.

[–] fukhueson -2 points 20 hours ago

Mmk