It's always the egg because the thing that laid what we consider a genetic chicken egg wasn't an animal that we consider a genetic chicken. Mutations happen in utero or whatever it's called when a baby is growing in an egg

[–] ObM 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I hear you and actually subscribe to your magazine. But…

Is your chicken-zero growing inside a chicken egg, or is it growing in a proto-chicken-thingo™ egg? I agree the thing growing will be born as the worlds first chicken and then grow its own eggs but what do we call the egg it’s in?

Is the egg named after the thing it hatches? Or, is the egg named after the thing that made the egg? Which might be the same as asking, is it called a “chicken egg” or “chicken’s egg” … or… both?

I guess I’ll need to actually read the research paper to find out.

[–] disguy_ovahea 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The domestic chicken (Gallus gallus domesticus) was a mutation of the red jungle fowl (Gallus gallus) that occurred after fertilization and before hatching. Therefore, the egg that the first domestic chicken hatched from was a domestic chicken egg laid by a red jungle fowl.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

But did the mutation occur before or after the egg was laid?

If it happened after the egg was laid, then when the egg was laid, it was not a chicken egg, only transforming into a chicken egg at the moment the mutation occurred.

[–] disguy_ovahea 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Regardless, at some point the egg became the first chicken egg before the first chicken hatched from it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Wouldn't the creature hatched from this mutated egg only really become a "chicken" by successfully reproducing, and passing its "chickenness" to a new generation of creatures? Beyond that, wouldn't there need to be enough successful generations of "chicken" reproduction in order to cement "chickens" into the biosphere, for long enough that humans evolve and identify them as "chickens"?

Only after that could you look into the past and say that egg was the first "chicken egg." At the time the egg was laid, and I would argue when the egg mutated, and then also at any time before "chickenness" was defined, there would be no way to correctly assert that a specific egg was "chickeny".

So ... "chickenness" must have come into existence first, and only then could it be possible to look back in time and identify the first egg that qualifies as a "chicken."

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