this post was submitted on 18 Nov 2024
483 points (93.2% liked)
TenForward: Where Every Vulcan Knows Your Name
3911 readers
1636 users here now
/c/TenFoward: Your home-away-from-home for all things Star Trek!
Re-route power to the shields, emit a tachyon pulse through the deflector, and post all the nonsense you want. Within reason of course.
~ 1. No bigotry. This is a Star Trek community. Remember that diversity and coexistence are Star Trek values. Any post/comments that are racist, anti-LGBT, or generally "othering" of a group will result in removal/ban.
~ 2. Keep it civil. Disagreements will happen both on lore and preferences. That's okay! Just don't let it make you forget that the person you are talking to is also a person.
~ 3. Use spoiler tags. This applies to any episodes that have dropped within 3 months prior of your posting. After that it's free game.
~ 4. Keep it Trek related. This one is kind of a gimme but keep as on topic as possible.
~ 5. Keep posts to a limit. We all love Star Trek stuff but 3-4 posts in an hour is plenty enough.
~ 6. Try to not repost. Mistakes happen, we get it! But try to not repost anything from within the past 1-2 months.
~ 7. No General AI Art. Posts of simple AI art do not 'inspire jamaharon'
~ 8. No Political Upheaval. Political commentary is allowed, but please keep discussions civil. Read here for our community's expectations.
Fun will now commence.
Sister Communities:
Want your community to be added to the sidebar? Just ask one of our mods!
Honorary Badbitch:
@[email protected] for realizing that the line used to be "want to be added to the sidebar?" and capitalized on it. Congratulations and welcome to the sidebar. Stamets is both ashamed and proud.
Creator Resources:
Looking for a Star Trek screencap? (TrekCore)
Looking for the right Star Trek typeface/font for your meme? (Thank you @kellyaster for putting this together!)
founded 11 months ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
we are nitpicking here, but if i amputate your hand and stitch can opener at its end, you can now do something normal human hand cannot, but i don't think anyone would call that superior, or prefer it to their own hand.
if geordi decided that after considering all factors, he would rather have normal eyes, then that is definition of "not superior" to me.
and just a reminder that this is the extraordinary experience we are talking about. i am definitely choosing my eyes 😆
I mean a can opener is very different, no? Or at least it is when I try to put myself in those shoes.
A can opener can open cans but nothing more. Sure you gain one piece of functionality, but you lose others.
Geordi's visor was a bit different in that he could see the visible light spectrum, but also a bunch of other stuff.
he could not: https://i.imgur.com/dlVpyIo.mp4
would you want to see like that? i mean if you were born blind and this was your only option, it is definitely better than nothing, but other than that, it is hard no from me.
That's a visual representation, in the visible light spectrum, of what he sees. He would see it differently than what appears on the viewscreen.
There's also nothing there that shows or says he can't see the visible light spectrum.
there is, it is exactly there on the screen, his perception of visible spectrum is just one step above nothing. would you want to see like that? accompanied by occasional technical problems and pain? would you call that superior to your eyes?
that is just unfounded assumption, if you want to argue like that, you can make up literally anything and the discussion loses sense (not that the level of sense was very high anyway 😆)
But that's not how he sees, or how any of this works 🤦
Things that see stuff in the (to us) non-visible spectrum don't see it in the visible light spectrum.
An insect that sees ultraviolet light doesn't see it how we see it when we apply a camera filter to view it. That's just the camera shifting it to our visible light spectrum, because we can't see ultraviolet.
A screen showing an image in ultraviolet light would not be usable to us.
The viewscreen Picard was looking at wasn't magically adding cones to his eyes and allowing him to see a wider range of the light spectrum. It was showing a representation in the visible light spectrum of what the visor can detect.
the insect's brain evolved to process insect's available sensory input, so did human's. so geordi would see exactly the same reducted picture that we see on the viewscreen, because that is the only thing our brain knows how to do.
and you are still narrowing this discussion to subset of the facts. there is still the fact of visor being piece of technology that can be lost, malfunction, causes occasional pain and allows its wearer to be hacked by romulan intelligence. i don't call that superior to my eyes.
anyway, i don't think we will progress further in this discussion, so until next time 🖖
Incorrect. There have been humans born with an extra come in their eyes due to a mutation, and those people could see extra colours. There are people who get damaged lenses on their eyes that let them see a bit of ultraviolet.
Yes. And there are ways in which it's superior. Data called them superior too. It's not wrong to call it superior.
there is no way to know what they see and how it differs from normal sight.
yeah, this whole discussion started by me pointing this fact and the consequent contradiction. nice circle you have there.
the only person in the world who was qualified to decide that abandoned it as soon as he could. that makes it very wrong to call them superior.
Of course there is. When shown both, they can discern the difference, proving they look different. If they looked the same, they would not be able to discern the difference.
But there's not really a contradiction. Plus I'd appreciate less passive-aggressiveness. There's no need to be angry just because you're mistaken.
?? Explain how he abandoned it? He kept bionic eyes.
Considering it was explicitly stated to be superior, he could see more, he turned away from wanting natural sight, and he stuck with bionic eyes, I think you are very much mistaken there.
when your arguments get rejected, you try to make me angry by saying "calm down"? that is pretty pathetic discussion tactic.
VISOR:
no reasonable person consider that superior to human eyes, which is why there weren't people standing in line to gouge their eyes out and replace them with visor.
i don't plan to run in circles with you until xmas, so bye and welcome to my blocklist
You made statements that I disproved (e.g. that human brains are incapable of processing anything not in the visible light spectrum), then you became aggressive that I did so.
Yes there is.
Rarely, but yes. So can normal eyes though.
See above.
Yep.
Yep.
None of that means they're objectively inferior.
Geordi wanted to keep his visor and bionic eyes.