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  1. I am not saying you shouldn't shame people for their voting choice as a demonstration of lack of critical thought or moral compass. You should.
  2. I am not saying that all the political parties are equally guilty. I am obviously talking about Trump as the much greater evil of the available evils.
  3. I am not saying that votes never count or have impact. They sometimes do.

All I really want to say is that blaming your friends and family for the election outcome is misguided and probably serves to benefit the political machine in its current form more than it serves to affect voter choice.

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[–] glimse 9 points 1 week ago (5 children)

This is a truly awful take even though I think your heart is in the right place.

If someone voted for Trump, they likely spoke highly of Trump which emboldened others to vote for him. It's insane to imply they are blameless when they participated in and promoted a culture that props Trump up as a good guy.

[–] anus 0 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I actually do not think that's a fair assumption. In my experience conservative voters are significantly less likely to talk about their beliefs and choices

In fact I would argue that across the political spectrum, there's a loud minority

[–] glimse 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Every vote for Trump normalizes his behavior. It's as simple as that. A clueless voter see 60 million people voting for him and thinks hey, he must not be so bad!

[–] anus 1 points 1 week ago

This is a good and fair point

But I would counter that there are a number of co-mingling biases and suboptimal, systematic, societal issues at play which led to this, and I would argue that no one knew there were 60 million like minded votes until election day

I think your argument puts the cart before the horse. These people were prepared to vote for Trump long, long before, and it wasn't because they all loudly talked about it together

Fox News for example is infinitely more at blame than your racist uncle, and my original point was that giving your racist uncle even an ounce of your attention is a kind of misplaced hate

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